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April 1857
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | April 1857

Posted on 04/01/2017 7:29:05 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; colorado tanker
I'm so relieved to know the church's real estate holdings will be secured! Nertz to you, Thurlow Weed! According to Mr. Keneally, biographer of Dan Sickles, the basic point was that less-fortunate Episcopal congregations wanted Trinity to share the wealth. After that, inter-party, intra-party, and personal conflicts blew it up into a Big Deal.

Speaking of Mr. Keneally, author of Schindler's List and other popular works, I would describe his work as "creative nonfiction." He tells a very good story, very involving, moves right along ... unlike, say, William C. Davis or Victor Davis Hanson ... but the distinctions among verified fact, opinion, guesswork, and projection are far from clear. I assume he is a Democrat.

61 posted on 04/13/2017 5:39:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I prefer to think of myself as ... civilized." ~Jonathan Q. Higgins)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“Removal of Hackley and McVickar for incompetency”?

What is that about? They were supposed to be two of the top professors at Columbia.


62 posted on 04/13/2017 12:59:20 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Maybe they had been in the past, but no longer were.


63 posted on 04/13/2017 2:06:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I prefer to think of myself as ... civilized." ~Jonathan Q. Higgins)
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
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Continued from December 23, 1856 (Reply #59)

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Douglas Southall Freeman, Lee, an abridgement by Richard Harwell

64 posted on 04/18/2017 4:58:54 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Continued from April 13 (reply #60).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

65 posted on 04/18/2017 5:01:20 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Over 150 years later, and honest men in NY still have the same relationship with their legislature.


66 posted on 04/18/2017 5:15:01 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Mr. Strong seems a little grumpy today, as I suppose relations with the New York legislature would make anyone.

On the international front, I have a feeling there are going to be big doings in India before too long. The current issue of “Harper’s” doesn’t have any hints in the Great Britain or points East news, but I just have a feeling ...


67 posted on 04/18/2017 5:16:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick; Homer_J_Simpson
I have it on good authority (Mr. Weed?) that the people of India are most content with East India Company rule.

By the way, this was the last flag of the Company and would have flown over India in 1857.

Remind you of anything?

68 posted on 04/18/2017 4:08:26 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

It faintly recalls another flag I’ve seen recently ...

But seriously, I had no idea that was the East India Company’s flag.


69 posted on 04/18/2017 5:15:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

Well, I didn’t either until I did some googling. I saw an article where someone argues this was a model for the Stars and Stripes, but I’ve never heard anything like that before.


70 posted on 04/18/2017 5:26:28 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The 13 stripes are a peculiar coincidence.


71 posted on 04/19/2017 2:33:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick
There is even more of a coincidence when you compare it to the Grand Union Flag, which was used early in the Revolution when the leaders thought there was still a chance of reconciling with the King:

I did some googling and it seems most historians view the origin of the Grand Union Flag as a mystery. I found one article by a historian who did some digging in East India company records, but he only came up with circumstantial arguments. The best argument for is the remarkable resemblance of the two flags. But there are several arguments against. The Admiralty disfavored use of the Company flag outside territorial waters and directed Company ships sailing to England to use the Red Ensign. There was also no direct trade between the Company and America. On the other hand, it could be assumed that Franklin and others spending time in England likely saw the flag.

On the other hand, check this out:

This is the Red Ensign, the flag of British merchantmen, which would have been seen in every port in America:

It would not have taken a lot of imagination to think of running white stripes through the red field to create 13 stripes representing 13 colonies.

72 posted on 04/19/2017 2:10:18 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Fascinating. I wonder why the East India Company chose 13 stripes.


73 posted on 04/19/2017 3:12:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

According to what I read, the Company flag was not always 13 stripes; it could be anything between 7 and 15. But nothing I read explained any significance of the number of stripes.


74 posted on 04/19/2017 3:38:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

That makes sense: many things weren’t as standardized in those days.


75 posted on 04/19/2017 4:11:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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Continued from April 18 (reply #65).

April 20. Columbia College at two P.M. Fish brought up his resolutions, as modified. As to Hackley, they merely revoke our action of a month or two since whereby he was assigned to one of the two chairs into which the present department of mathematics is divided, that of astronomy. This was discussed at great length, Anderson twining subtle webs of ingenious plausibilities against it, and was carried, Anderson alone dissenting. As to McVickar, the resolutions proposed to make him emeritus professor and would have been carried without a dissenting voice had not King interposed and asked delay that McVickar might have the option of resigning if he preferred not to have a censure recorded against him. It seems that Hackley and McVickar are unconscious each of his own peril, but each is satisfied that the other is very inefficient and ought to be removed.* We met in the chapel, half-dismantled, its doors off the hinges, utterly cold and dreary; our last meeting in the poor old college building. One of the landmarks of the New York of old times is falling and perishing.

* McVickar was actually dealt with more kindly than some of his critics has desired. His chair was split into three parts. He was kept on to teach the evidences of religion; Lieber was given the professorship of history and political science.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

76 posted on 04/20/2017 4:51:06 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
It seems that Hackley and McVickar are unconscious each of his own peril, but each is satisfied that the other is very inefficient and ought to be removed.

Sounds like some church committees I'm on ...

77 posted on 04/20/2017 5:46:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; colorado tanker; Tax-chick; iowamark
By the way, we should take note of the most amazing economic growth anyone can imagine.
Consider railroads.
By 1857 the US already has about 25,000 miles of railroad, nearly 1/3 in the South.
And the US is adding about seven miles of new railroad every day.
Imagine how many men with picks, shovels & wheelbarrows that takes!.

As of 1857 immigration is souring, exports exploding, the economy is booming and banks are loaning money hand-over-fist to build more infrastructure.
Railroad stock prices are going up & up, the sky's the limit, right?

So if you want to get in on a good thing, friends, now would be a good time to buy... hi-tech railroad stocks.
Oh yeh, that's the ticket.


78 posted on 04/20/2017 10:22:00 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Cool. I could get on a train here in Charlotte, and, after much doodling around east, north, and west, end up in Hannibal, MO, and then hike to my grandparents’ house, or pick up a ride on a farm wagon.


79 posted on 04/20/2017 3:10:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? CRISTO! Y a su Nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick; BroJoeK

I see a few lines that will become strategic factors in the coming unrest. Most notably (from my recent reading) the east-west line that runs through extreme northern MS, AL, GA, and southern TN.


80 posted on 04/20/2017 3:59:36 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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