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Naval pilot who crippled the Bismarck dies aged 97
Royal Navy ^ | 12/12/2016

Posted on 12/13/2016 2:47:51 PM PST by Vanders9

Swordfish pilot Jock Moffat – credited with launching the torpedo which crippled the Bismarck in 1941 – has died at the age of 97.

The Scotsman, who always played down his role in the attack, was a lifelong champion of naval aviation and friend of the Fleet Air Arm.

2016 ends for Naval aviation as it began – with the loss of one of its greatest heroes.

After the passing of legendary test pilot Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown early in the year, the Fleet Air Arm community now mourns for Lt Cdr John ‘Jock’ Moffat – the man credited with crippling the Bismarck.

(Excerpt) Read more at royalnavy.mod.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: bismarck; navy; rn; ww2
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To: NorthMountain

Exactly.


21 posted on 12/13/2016 3:45:32 PM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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To: Vanders9

God bless him, that took some courage.


22 posted on 12/13/2016 3:51:02 PM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Bigg Red
I've always wondered if he aimed for the stern or just made a very fortuitous shot.

Either way, mission successful. Godspeed.

23 posted on 12/13/2016 3:55:11 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Billthedrill

The way I heard it...the Swordfish was too slow for the “advanced fire control” and the automatic cannon and machine guns to track.


24 posted on 12/13/2016 3:59:54 PM PST by Overtaxed (Party like it's 1908!)
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To: 2banana

...flown by a member of the Greatest Generation.


25 posted on 12/13/2016 4:02:57 PM PST by 353FMG (AMERICA IS ALL THAT TRULY MATTERS)
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To: NorthMountain

Historically, sometimes the “Oldies But Goodies” still work in modern warfare.

One Japanese fleet was T-boned by a group of WW ONE cruisers/battleships and blown to bits, something our modern battleships never did.

Morse code and CB radios are still low frequency backups to high-tech, easy to disrupt modern communications. If you don’t believe me, see “Independence Day” and a movie by Bruce Willis with a CB radio complex in some geek’s basement.

I’ll take an F-4 for firepower/napalm on ISIS’s ass over anything other than a Warthog.


26 posted on 12/13/2016 4:13:28 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: NorthMountain

Historically, sometimes the “Oldies But Goodies” still work in modern warfare.

One Japanese fleet was T-boned by a group of WW ONE cruisers/battleships and blown to bits, something our modern battleships never did.

Morse code and CB radios are still low frequency backups to high-tech, easy to disrupt modern communications. If you don’t believe me, see “Independence Day” and a movie by Bruce Willis with a CB radio complex in some geek’s basement.

I’ll take an F-4 for firepower/napalm on ISIS’s ass over anything other than a Warthog.


27 posted on 12/13/2016 4:13:30 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: 2banana
The most least advanced battle cruiser of WWII...

Unlike other nations battleships which were designed for the longer ranges of the WWII era, Bismarck was a warmed over 1913 design suited to refighting Jutland. Poorly arranged armour, bad torpedo defence system, marginal radar.

28 posted on 12/13/2016 4:30:26 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools" Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: BBB333

Love that song!


29 posted on 12/13/2016 4:42:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Overtaxed

>The way I heard it...the Swordfish was too slow for the “advanced fire control” and the automatic cannon and machine guns to track.

Yep. They didn’t design it with WW1 planes in mind. It shot down or drove off all the other types of planes attacking it.


30 posted on 12/13/2016 4:45:50 PM PST by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Of the 6 battle ships in Adm Jesse Oldendorf’s fleet 4 were veterans of the Dec 7 attack on Pearl Harbor. West Virginia, Tennessee, California and Pennsylvania had their revenge on Adm Nishimura’s fleet.

BTW, the other two US BB’s were Maryland and Mississippi.

A further historical note is that this was only one of two battleship vs battleship fights in the Pacific during WW-II. The other battle took place off Guadalcanal November 14-15, 1942.

The Battle of Suriago Straight was the last battleship vs battleship battle in history.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


31 posted on 12/13/2016 4:59:02 PM PST by alfa6
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To: NorthMountain; 2banana

The Bismark was a state of the art battleship for the START of WW-II. Of interest was that the Bismark’s main battery had a rate of fire 50% faster than any other battleship in WW-II.

For an in depth comparison of WW-II BB’s see here...

http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


32 posted on 12/13/2016 5:05:25 PM PST by alfa6
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To: PLMerite

I’ve heard that the Swordfish was so slow that the German antiaircraft guns couldn’t get a bead on them. Still, it must have been a sweat beading, butt puckering experience to lay a torpedo in like that.


33 posted on 12/13/2016 5:26:04 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: alfa6

Thanks for the update. I knew there was a “Strait” involved in one battle but didn’t want to write the wrong name.

The one in which we got clobbered was Salvo Straits?

Don’t have any history books with me right now.

Just FYI: I have a picture of my mother, sister and me (somewhere) on the Light Cruiser USS Baltimore, Nov. 1952, when it came into Baltimore. It would have made a nice addition to my models collection.

Also have pictures of me on the USS Pike Submarine and the USS Torsk, both of which were in Baltimore (I think the Pike is gone; the Torsk is still there, right across from the USS Constellation).

It’s funny but I’ve never been on an on-duty American naval vessel. Did visit a US Monitor or Gunboat in SVN in the Delta, and rode in a SVN speedboat to visit an artillery outpost. Other than that, I’m a landlubber re the Navy.

I can say that I was on a Sherman or Patton tank (1956) long before Dukakis made a fool of himself. Armed Forces Day at the Mondawmin Mall in Baltimore. The Black Watch Scottish band played for us. In those days, patriotism was shared by all.


34 posted on 12/13/2016 5:29:42 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Oztrich Boy
Bismarck was a battleship and you are confusing it with HMS Hood.
Only the British and Japanese and Japanese had modernized World War 1 battlecruisers in World War 2. The British had the Repulse Class and HMS Hood (sole member of the Admiral Class.) The Japanese had the Kongo Class.
The Japanese and US also had carriers, what were converted battlecruisers (Lexington,Saratoga, and Kaga)
35 posted on 12/13/2016 5:32:38 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Vanders9

How could he fit in that Stringbag’s cockpit, with brass balls that large?

Rest In Peace, Sir!


36 posted on 12/13/2016 5:43:28 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Time for a new party for We the People, to restore a two-party system!)
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To: oldplayer

“To War in a Stringbag” is a fine book!


37 posted on 12/13/2016 5:45:36 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Time for a new party for We the People, to restore a two-party system!)
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To: fella
"I’ve heard that the Swordfish was so slow that the German antiaircraft guns couldn’t get a bead on them. "

That wouldn't surprise me at all. They were called "stringbags" because of all the cables bracing the wings. There was a book, "To War in a Stringbag."

They were the epitome of "low and slow":

German gunners probably couldn't depress the guns low enough.

38 posted on 12/13/2016 5:55:20 PM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; alfa6

Back in the 80’s, a neighbor and I talked about his WWII experiences. He was at Salvo straits on a cruiser. He manned one of the smaller guns, but it was still in a turret (8-inch?). In any event, his overarching memory was of the near misses. He said, even if a shell hit a fair ways away, the concussion was terrific in the turret that he manned. His ship may have been hit elsewhere, I don’t know. But he said there were significant injuries from the near misses.

These guys were tough.


39 posted on 12/13/2016 6:55:30 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: alfa6

That whole “Combined Fleet” site is excellent; a longstanding favorite of mine. Thanks for the reference.


40 posted on 12/13/2016 7:23:37 PM PST by NorthMountain
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