Posted on 12/03/2016 10:57:21 PM PST by nickcarraway
Some cultures sexualize girls early....super cold climate folk and nomads and isolated islanders.....some Hassidim fairly early arranged marriage..and of course FLDS......our rural areas once married off girls early..my maternal grandma was 15.
Papa was barely 18
1920
She didn’t even know what sex was literally....she used to recount to me when it was just she and I in her 70s and 80s....poor thing...she was lucky my grandpa was a tender hearted boy
Nine months after that honeymoon buggy ride by the spring under the moon ona Mississippi hot summer night and she was making paper dolls for herself and her baby
And fixing to get pregnant again.
They had to grow up fast....my great grandma and grandpa let them live in the tack house cabin
They moved to the city in 1924.....like most rural folk then
I stayed some weekends with that great grandma in preschool years....no running water and an outhouse
Kid u not
Fried pies and she chewed her own tobacco rope and shot and rode her saddlebred in her late 70s
260 acres and that and tobacco allotments was their means of life
Crazy
Kids today have no idea
I at least got a taste of it
My great grandpa died in that front parlor and was lain there in an alcohol drenched coffin till his burial for folks to come by before the wagon took him down the pike to Burns Mississippi Presbyterian antebellum graveyard
Farms long gone..can’t find it now...the land is all Scott Paper
Our culture is so so bad
In our lifetimes a cliff dive
You said so yourself....at 15, your grandmother had NO idea what SEX was.
Today, in some places in the USA, they know what it is at 5 or at least by 8 and by 15, are "old hands" at it; not married, mind you, but 'round the block and back so often, it's sickening.
The Hassidim marry early, but not THAT early and usually it's the kids of the BIG TIME Rabbis, who marry the earliest and it's akin to long past royal weddings...mergers and such, for territory and breeding stock.
But will it sell? No.
...and failing to reproduce, they disappeared from the Earth.
I failed to clarify properly of course I got your point
I’m pretty familiar with Satmar Hassidim for a southern baptist..lol
I think their arranged marriages are just one step this side of FLDS to be honest but because they vote R largely lotsa freepers applaud them without knowing a lot about their unusual mores
My closest adult Jewish friend ever was from a secular Israeli family and lived in Park Slope We traveled the world together to mining areas in Colombia Thailand Burma Brasil Zambia Zaire and Sierra Leone in search of the best stones
We had an office on 47th by now gone Kaplans deli together as well as in Hatton Garden London
He was at my wedding and my daddy’s funeral.
He was a formidable negotiator but he was straight with me
I trusted him with my life and it actually came down to that once
I’ll loved him like my little Gene Wilder looking brother
In 1998 he left his wife of 16 years at aged 44 or 45 and moved to Monroe NY and marry his Rebbes niece who was 17 and whom he’d only met once and then she had her marriage lecture and chastity test and found suitable and married in days
He left his two young real world children with his ex wife who was devastated and had never done anything wrong honestly...she’s never recovered
They grew up together in Haifa as kids and he was a tank infantry grunt in Kippur where he killed men...something that haunted him
I stay in touch with her and have on occasion when asked helped her financially though it’s been a while now
She’s back in Israel now tending to her parents near the Golan
She’s a regular Americanized Yemeni origin Jew and a sweet traditional fairly conservative girl who loves Trump btw
My buddy has had 14 children since then till the last and his wife can’t have anymore
I last saw him in Monroe in 1990 and he had me met at the compound and drink from paper cups they keep for unclean like.me though he did apologize for that profusely he just didn’t want his wife to rat him out to his father in law
Long beard and peyots and a Shtreimel on the table
It was awkward given we’d roamed the world together as men...a robust life of adventure lust and girls of course and money and helluva lot of fun
He was Sephardic and his surname is the ladino for wolf..his daddy was Haganah late 40s
They were jewelry people
I haven’t seen him since but two years ago he calls me and asked for money
He is a “scholar” and lives on the dole or charity in Jerusalem and is currently in trouble for misappropriating state funds in Israel meant for an Haredi radio station he was involved with
His marriage is not uncommon in particularly with Satmars but yes it is like you suggested for political and money reasons and to increase the sect...which is like Mormons used to do but they took the shortcut of polygamy though..And younger wives
And yes again like you alluded to they don’t know much about sex early but they sure get a crash course early enough and then the babies just keep rolling out
To me there are aspects cult like but some of their practices and morality I like
The great irony was he and I sold millions of diamonds to the Haredi sects in the 80s
We would go to their offices and they were such dour and frankly odd folks and he get infuriated with them but they paid and paid well
Selling kilos of ornamental melle diamonds to Indians was much much more infuriating and risky
Anyhow...lol.. probably too long a rant...I’m done...bedtime
Exactly, the song is not about the woman being pressured. The song is about the couple together conspiring to spend a little more time together, in an era when respectable people of both genders were expected to behave in a certain way.
This song was “Paradise by the Dashboard Lights” for my parents generation.
I don’t understand how the concept of convincing a woman to sleep with you is now considered rape.
If you actually listen to the original song, what’s really happening is she wants to stay, but doesn’t want to come across as “easy”.
To a large extent, seduction is the game of her wanting to be talked into what she really wants to do anyway.
I think they need a further re-write. There are several lines in this song that uber feminazis would find offensive.
I really cant stay/Baby Im fine with that
(As if she needs his consent to leave)
Ive got to go away/Baby Im cool with that
(Same as above)
This evening has been/Been hoping you get home safe
(Is that a threat?)
So very nice/Im glad you had a real good time
My mother will start to worry/Call her so she knows that youre coming
(Sexual reference?)
Father will be pacing the floor/Better get your car a-humming
(Sexual reference?)
So really Id better scurry/No rush.
Should I use the front or back door?/Which one are you pulling towards more?
(Sexual reference?)
The neighbors might think/That youre a real nice girl
(Dont judge or slut shame)
What is this drink?/Pomegranate La Croix
(Its dangerous to take a drink from a man)
I wish I knew how/Maybe I can help you out
(Watch that paternalism)
To break this spell/I dont know what youre talking about
I ought to say no, no, no/you reserve the right to say no
At least Im gonna say that I tried/you reserve the right to say no
I really cant stay/ Well you dont have to
Baby its cold outside
Ive got to get home/Do you know how to get there from here
(More paternalism. Just because she is a woman she needs directions to her own home from some guy)
Say, where is my coat/Ill go and grab it my dear
Youve really been grand/Well have to do this again
Yes I agree/How bout the Cheesecake Factory?
Were bound to be talking tomorrow/Text me at your earliest convenience
(Texting isnt talking, and dont tell her what to do. Besides, why should she have to text him?)
At least I have been getting that vibe/Unless I catch pneumonia and die
(Like all men should)
Ill be on my way/Thanks for the great night
(She’ll decide later whether or not to file a harassment complaint)
Once gain, proof that Liberals ruin everything they touch.
That is not a song which can be ruined anymore than it was by Frank Loesser.
More humorless PC garbage from a grudge-seeker and her pajama-boy collaborator.
Rogers and Hammerstein they ain’t.
The song is lightweight all right, but the original version is better. The woman is struggling with herself, not the man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFJ7ie_yGU Classic seduction at first - “KHAAAAAN!”, then funny with Red Skelton.
“...them crappers who write horribly foul, disgusting, misogynystic words (not lyrics) in every crap song ever screeched?”
The wife drug me to a wedding yesterday for one of her distant, distant relatives, followed by the reception. Food was great, bar was open, but the music was filled with the kind of grotesqueries I wouldn’t even allow in my house. Seventy year old white grannies twerking is just wrong.
These perpetually offended “women’s libbers” are always about keeping the “delicate” female species wrapped tightly in their cocoons of victimhood.
Especially when she can just walk away, and he’s doing nothing more than just pleading.
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