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[Vanity] "Pardon me" this could get interesting
Vanity | 10/24/16 | me

Posted on 10/24/2016 5:38:05 AM PDT by MomwithHope

Probably have started less than 10 threads on FR since I officially joined in 1999. Others do such a great job. Hats off especially to 2ndDivisionVet and Kaslin.
I was thinking about after the election and pardons. Thought this deserved a discussion thread today. I would be interested in reading what other Freepers think about future pardons. My thoughts follow.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: election; pardon; trump
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To: stockpirate

Could you verify that?


21 posted on 10/24/2016 5:58:02 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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To: MomwithHope

It’s been discussed on several radio shows and Fox. The power to pardon has unlimited scope. There’s nothing in it that says the president can’t pardon themselves.


22 posted on 10/24/2016 6:02:51 AM PDT by stockpirate (OBAMA MUST BE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.)
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To: MomwithHope

I would bet money that Trump pardons Hillary.

It lets him call her a crook one last time and wash his hands of the Clinton mess.

And, despite my personal disgust with the Clintons, there is no up side to prosecuting them for Trump.


23 posted on 10/24/2016 6:05:51 AM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: stockpirate
from the Constitution -
"he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
The language is pretty loose. No president has ever tried it. Why didn't Bill Clinton do it before he was impeached? A pardon can be challenged and if it went to the supreme court right now they couldn't trust the court to uphold the pardon. Maybe that is why they are still pushing for the new SCOTUS appointment.
24 posted on 10/24/2016 6:07:32 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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To: stockpirate
That may or may not be true. The pardon power is virtually unlimited, but the power to blanket-pardon oneself may be a bridge too far to be acceptable to the DC cabal. From section two of the Constitution:

...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

The problem would likely be that pardoning oneself is an explicit admission of wrongdoing, and may be politically unacceptable. There is no actual constitutional restriction against it - probably because such self-serving would have been unimaginable at the time (because one's image was tied irrevocably to one's honesty).

25 posted on 10/24/2016 6:09:21 AM PDT by MortMan (Hillary is a clear and present danger.)
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To: dangerdoc

Except he said he would prosecute her and appoint a special prosecutor. He even told Hillary he would do it. His supporters are chanting Lock her Up at every rally. I can’t see him pardoning her at all, maybe only if she was on the verge of death.


26 posted on 10/24/2016 6:10:44 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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To: servo1969
Can the President pardon someone for crimes of which they have never been convicted?

Can a President who illegitimately occupies the office issue legitimate pardons or order of any kind?

27 posted on 10/24/2016 6:13:12 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (For Hillary: a podium to raise the odium.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Are you talking about Obama or Hillary? Either way it’s a mess.


28 posted on 10/24/2016 6:18:31 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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To: Michael.SF.

The wording of the Constitution says the President “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

In the definitions I’ve looked at, both Reprieves and Pardons deal with convictions, with the penalty due (reprieve) or imposed (pardon). Despite what Gerry Ford did for Nixon, I question whether a pardon can be issued to avoid charges that haven’t been brought. And could such a “pardon” be challenged?

Of course, any such challenge would require Congress to grow a spine, so that avenue might be moot.

In any event, the Constitutional provision applies only to federal offenses. I forget, where are the Clinton Foundation offices located again?


29 posted on 10/24/2016 6:24:46 AM PDT by DNME (This is the tyranny that the Founders warned us about.)
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To: spokeshave

Link?


30 posted on 10/24/2016 6:37:46 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: bkopto

Yes, he can. Nixon got a blanket pardon. Google it, copies of the letter are easy to find.


31 posted on 10/24/2016 6:39:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: MomwithHope

They have enough money to ensure Chelsea is very comfortable for life.


32 posted on 10/24/2016 6:40:18 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: MomwithHope

“It’s obvious Hillary committed many crimes.”

Yes, we know that. But for Obama to pardon her he has to say what he is pardoning her for. He ain’t pardoning her for emailing yoga and wedding pics!

Does he really believe hillary is worth the bother? Unless, maybe he believes, she will get in and pardon him?


33 posted on 10/24/2016 6:41:47 AM PDT by Leep
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To: dangerdoc

“I would bet money that Trump pardons Hillary.”

That thought has crossed my mind as well.
Pardoning her would hopefully shut her up at last!


34 posted on 10/24/2016 6:45:17 AM PDT by Leep
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To: MomwithHope

Talked with a flaming liberal relative at a wedding recently. Surprised that she hates Hillary but doesn’t like the idea of Hillary going to prison. I get the feeling that there are a lot like her who are only supporting Hillary because they don’t want her to go to prison. If Trump could come out with some statement along the lines of: “Losing the election for Hillary would be punishment enough.” He would win in a landslide, I believe.


35 posted on 10/24/2016 7:03:19 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: MomwithHope

There is no political up-side to the spectacle of prosecuting her.

I would love to see her locked up but it would politically immobilize Trump and he has important things to get done.


36 posted on 10/24/2016 7:05:54 AM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: sportutegrl

I think your friend is vastly outnumbered by those that want her to go to jail. Big market for Hillary for prison stuff.


37 posted on 10/24/2016 7:35:45 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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To: MortMan

I’m afraid the case against Clinton may have been BleachBit beyond hope by the FBI themseleves. This whole thing, if—and hopefully—anything comes of it will have scalps of those who protected Hillary, but she’s probably going to skate. It’s a terrible miscarriage of justice, but it is the corrupt system we have.


38 posted on 10/24/2016 7:51:32 AM PDT by John Robinson (I am a twit @_John_Robinson)
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To: MomwithHope; Kaslin

You’ve posted a total of 34,487 threads and 84,958 replies.

Kaslin, you?


39 posted on 10/24/2016 7:51:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Michelle has no interest in working, a permanent vacay is more her style. She fancies herself as a VERY tan Jackie O.


40 posted on 10/24/2016 7:57:10 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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