Posted on 06/27/2016 4:38:13 PM PDT by ZinGirl
Civil War movie. I saw this last night and I highly recommend it. I'm not a Civil War enthusiast nor do I claim to be an expert in either Civil War or wars in general. However, this movie moved me. "and that's all I have to say about that". :) (posting this in General/Chat. Don't want to break any rules or ruffle any feathers)
Thanks for the review and the thread. I have two books on the subject and am looking forward to seeing the movie (It’s currently showing in Seattle but I won’t go there on a dare ;’)
“There’s a lot of Southern heroes to make a movie about. This deserter was not one of them.”
John Pelham, for starters.
Civil War history is a lot more complicated than is taught. West Virginia broke off from Virginia, the Free State of Franklin was nearly revived in western NC and east TN. The Appalachian region in general had a dim view of slavery and the coastal aristocracies that depended upon it. There were substantial religious communities opposed to slavery in the Piedmont region that practiced a form of conscientious objection to serving in the Confederate military. They sent men, as medical personnel, musicians and pastors, but no soldiers. On the other side of the coin, there were black slaveholders. It’s not a clear cut matter at all, particularly once you get away from the coastal plain and river deltas.
He wasn’t a hero to you but he is apparently held in high regard and a hero in several circles. He sure was a rascal though.
“Major’’? So you’re in the Army now?
Richard Kirkland.
My fav Civil War story. Inspiring.
Another writer that discusses the south in frank and honest terms is Hewitt Clarke. He served as a intelligence officer in the Korean conflict and later. Writes of the area north of jones County a lot, Thunder over Meridian, Kemper, Bloody Kemper, The East End Tea Room, and He Saw The Elephant, a book about Lt Charles Read, a southern naval officer who found himself in unlikely battles more than once. Clarke has described the battles of the French/indian war, where the British and French used different Indian tribes to fight each other decades before the war for independence
a little stated fact you mentioned, “ there were black slaveholders” is a inconvenient truth (sorry) for those who view the war as a racial liberation only. Choctaws also owned black and Indians of other tribes as slaves. And that is the truth behind Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, which is unintentional, but a powerful truth just the same. sometimes Lincoln’s beliefs about Africans are brought up, the crust of the matter is still no man should be able to own another. Lincoln had wanted to repatriate Africans back to Africa. powers didn’t want that to happen. Kind of like the immigrant problem today, cheap labor is king.
Indeed. The whole purpose of this movie was to evilize white Southerners by portraying this reprobate as superior to the rest of the South.
Nobody has offered me enough money to go see it.
Hollywood PC garbage. There is little known about Knight other than he was a deserter who rode with other deserters who murdered a lot Confederate soldiers. He should have been shot.
I agree Free State of Jones was an excellent movie. We loved it and it really humanized those historical times. I’m with you in highly recommending this movie. It’s a must see.
The only thing that is documented fact about Knight is he was a murderer who should have been hanged from the nearest tree.
Thanks, I’ll have to check that out.
You’re not from here honey
You probably think The Help and Deliverance were both documentaries and quite accurate
My ancestors in Sullivans hollow right above Jones county hated those bastards you’re venerating strictly cause you got some romantic vision and it’s got Matthew
I swoon....,
Jones county was always weird and the Masonite plant there in the 60s had serious labor thug violence and corrupted local govt
I knew some of the mullatoes that descended from Newt and another big mullato name from that locale... the Moffit or Moffat clans
These were quads and octoroons and some of the women were beautiful and most passed as white when I was a boy....I had a crush on one.....she was about 25 and me 12....she carried me home in her convertible one day after she saw me walking about 5 miles from home coming back from the bowling alley....she was a teacher......folks whispered but nobody cared really she was so gorgeous like Claudia Cardinale.....my buddies when they saw her driving me through my leave it to beaver neighborhood to my house
Closest to Summer of 42 I ever got
Most of the left the Leaf River basin for the swamps north of Mobile called appropriately enough Creola
The irony is that area of Smith Scott Simpson Jones and other east south central Mississippi had little plantocracy and most only had maybe one slave family they lived and worked alongside with cattle and substistance farming like most of my people
They treated their slaves better cause ..it was a bigger investment
Newt was a renegade and a deserter raider.....but he was all about interracial sex and fought against his own kind in the confederacy to some point
That silly girl wrote that book and it got optioned......that’s it
Just like Kathryn Stockett
You’re welcome to come down here and I’ll educate about the south and race.....I guarantee you I can open your idealistic well intended eyes in a respectful way
You wish to study an interesting Mississippian and race....try William Dunbar Natchez Mississippi
Presumably an ancestor of mine albeit thru the illegitimate pregnancy upon my great x5 grandma
Thank you for your perspective. Sorry to disappoint, but I did not see the Help and I'm not a Matthew McConaughey fan (this was the only movie I've seen all the way through with him...tried 'Dallas Buyers Club' and 'Interstellar' each for about 30 min). So swoon away...he's all yours.
In any case, I'll still look at history that way I am entitled to. Whites DID own blacks (YES...blacks owned blacks, etc). However, whites wrote and passed laws which dehumanized and allowed for the sale of humans. White men also wrote and passed laws which didn't allow for women to vote. It's just part of our history and I'm not afraid to see a movie about it.
No, I'm not into reparations, either. Again...it was our history. If anything, I think Obama should apologize to the country NOW for keeping the racist pot stirring. I think some blacks AND whites are in slavery still...only under Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton race-baiting types.
Actually, I DID pass through Jones County last year on a roadtrip. I knew about the movie at the time, but hadn't done much reading yet. I remember stopping at a gas station/Piggly Wiggly/whatever and thinking, "hmm...interesting characters here"...which is fine because I'm sure *I* looked like an interesting character to them. They definitely had a "you're not from here, honey" look going. :)
Thank you for the offer to come down...better be careful, might take you up on it! I've seen you on threads a lot and have no doubt you could respectfully educate. That's what I like about FR. I knew making a thread was a dicey endeavor and I would need to go get my thick-skin suit on. :)
duh. oops...descendent!...that's what I get for posting AND yakking away with family members at the same time. :) Good thing I wasn't chewing gum, as well.
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