Posted on 01/09/2016 9:36:28 PM PST by jdirt
For the last few days various outlets have been bringing up the eligibility issue of the presidency. And all of them have been so dishonest. Some have stated that it needs to be litigated, some have stated that citizenship and natural born citizen is the same thing, some have stated that only one parent is required when born abroad, still another purported that our first 7 presidents weren't born here so its ok, totally ignoring the grandfather clause, Glenn Beck.
It kinda po's me when people say it should be litigated when anyone with an ounce of integrity should know that it was tried a gadzillion times.
First they lacked standing, then it was the wrong jurisdiction, then it was the wrong defendants, Then the case wasn't ripe, then the candidate became president and so it was moot, the courts said it was a political question, and the congress said it was a question for the courts, as a finishing touch the congressional research dept. came up with i think 3 different lying butt papers on the issue to help congressman explain it to their constituents.
when all else failed the people begged their congressman to not certify the election. that didn't work either. Moral of the story, the people have no recourse what so ever when the elite decide to allow a person ineligible to run for president.
So here is the obvious thing I need to state so that you know what this thing is leading to so there is no misunderstanding:
A person born in this country to 2 non-citizens (like Chinese for example) who grows up in a communist country to the age of 21, then comes to the United States and spends the next 14 years here will be eligible to be president at the age of 35. This will be the ultimate ineligible candidate. And there won't be a thing your grandkids will be able to do about it. Now if someone wants to argue that this is a natural born citizen, you get what you deserve.
Little by little they have been warping the definition of NBC to meet their desires. And yes, a definition absolutely can be inferred by contemporaneous documents. Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind, if thats possible.
Exactly! With all the crazy things that are happening in the world now, all sorts of situations will come up, and anyone who wants to deny such people the Presidency will be a “hater.”
Did you read the article?
It’s too bad the constitution was tested by the “historic” first black POTUS - a constitutional law “professor”. They really did a number on us. Now look at us, you don’t even have to be born here anymore and you can have dual citizenship and still be deemed eligible by your supporters.
We’ve let personal motives overcome the intent of the constitution.
I've been doing some digging today and it's obvious to me that the question of Cruz's citizenship was completely governed by the provisions of the 1952 immigration and naturalization act. Under that act's provisions he would have to fulfill certain residency requirements as a young adult, or his citizenship would go bye-bye.
Natural born citizens' status are not controlled by statute. It's a fact of nature.
If Ted Cruz was a natural born citizen, he would have been a citizen regardless of what our immigration and naturalization statutes require.
He would have been a natural born citizen no matter when in American history he had been born.
Which quite obviously isn't the case. There's no way he would have been even a citizen from birth throughout most of American history, because of the way our statutes read.
I repeat my initial question: How can a Constitutional requirement be changed by mere statute?
Your post made me flashback to my junior high civics class.
Yes, ironic isn’t it?
I agree with Trump when he says Cruz ought to go to court and get a Declarative Judgement so the matter can be decided. Otherwise this could get a lot uglier if Cruz gets the nomination.
Can you imagine Cruz v Hillary?
The Ineligible v The Indicited.
I don't care who you are, that right there is funny as hell.
He's the mother-floppin' Manchurian Candidate, jd!
That was tried too. There was a guy sometime ago that requested a declaratory judgement that he was eligible to run for president and they wouldn’t do it. I mean they really tried everything they could.
Thats why all this talk has got me so poed. Its like the last 7 years didn’t even happen. I don’t know how this matter will be resolved unless Trump takes it on himself and files suit against Cruz.
Lord have mercy! I’m shocked that this is an issue!
Frankly, as one who cast her first ballot for Nixon, got out of a sick bed to vote for Reagan the first time, and was one of the proud few who wasn’t a dem in my NC district to be a republican to vote for him the second time around, I’m astounded that ANYONE would have issues with Cruz, and not with Trump!
They ARE the very BEST in this election! So, stop the infighting, and pray those are the two on the ballot!
Maybe our constitution should be amended to take any doubt out of the presidential eligibility issue.
Oh indeed
It isn’t complicated. Yes, that person would be considered natural born. However, that person would have a tough job convincing voters he or she was American enough in culture.
Laws are laws, words mean things, and whenever a line is drawn there will be individual examples that we don’t like. That hit the letter of the law but forget the spirit. One would hope that there would be a free press to call on such a candidate’s loyalty to America. Such a person is allowed to RUN for the presidency but is not guaranteed the job.
No one checked with actual real documentation to see if Obama even met the letter of this law. He never met the spirit of being American. And there is zero legit proof he met the legal eligibility, especially when the fact that he used other people’s social security numbers his whole life proves there is something wrong with his citizenship.
Really, being natural born means, when you were born, were you an American? Period.
Rubio was born an American. Thus he is natural born.
Because the Constitution does not define "natural born citizen," we must look to the law to define it. If the birthers are correct that there are multiple types of born citizens, why doesn't the law reflect this? Why has not a single judge ever accepted such an argument?
the Law of Nations: CHAPTER XIX: Of our Native Country, and several Things that relate to it.
Emer de Vattel
The law is meaningless with regard to NBC. All that matters is...
WHAT DID NATURAL BORN MEAN WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS ADOPTED?
Congress can’t make word definitions change by decree.
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