Does anyone even have to say it?
Posted on 11/19/2015 9:26:06 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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Stalin was planning on launching his offensive war by 1943, had the Germans not attacked Russia before. He was trying to buy time until then.
“...He’s on a roll...”
Hitler never did have much of a hope of capturing and holding the Caucasus oil fields - they were in flames when his leading troops finally got there and it would have taken at least a year to put them back into production in the face of vastly superior forces. So stabilizing a defensive line on the Volga was out, hence Stalingrad served only as a holding action while Army Group A was extracted, rather than the anchor of a defense as Hitler had visualized. Plenty of his generals had warned him.
Kennedy, the fellow who deployed troops to Vietnam, might not have been replaced by LBJ, who increased them. Jackie might not have married Onassis. We might still be able to mail-order rifles. Heck, who knows?
Reconstruction would certainly have looked different under Lincoln than under Johnson, but beyond that, it's impossible to say. The main point of the thing was that Our American Cousin wasn't a very good play and I doubt if Mrs. Lincoln would have had a nice evening anyway.
As for GHWB, it's hard to decide. If his replacement were conservative in the sense that he wouldn't have led a war over Saddam's occupation of Kuwait, then we may well have had to fight for the possession of the Saudi oil fields, a rather messier proposition. Or not, depending on whether or not Saddam would have kept coming, but there wasn't a lot to stop him at the time. He did, however, couch the affair in strictly internationalist / collective defense terms that we've been laboring under since. This one is as much speculation as the others.
I'll pose a question in reply: what would have happened if Frazee hadn't wanted to put on a play named "No No Nanette" and kept that punk kid pitcher named "Babe" in Boston?
I would have tried to take Moscow, because of the impact it may have had on Stalin’s leadership. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that Stalin may very well have been deposed had Moscow fell. And perhaps his replacement, realizing he needed all Russians to fight would have dropped Bolshevism.
There wouldn’t havd been a movie about a pig named “Babe”?
Just guessing....
Still, I love that joke.....
Fact is, everyone with a hint of strategic acumen knew it was a nation of 70 million versus a nation of 170 million, the latter having unreachable industrial resources and the advantage of interior lines, a middleweight versus a heavyweight. The former had better win fast, and he didn't.
And the best way for the Germans to have done that was to “Divide and Conquer”, instead, their cruelty to the Russians united everyone against them, even those who despised Stalin.
So yeah, I agree with you, Germany's military fate was sealed when Army Group Center failed to take Moscow. They fought a good game afterward, but it was pretty much set after that.
He would have been assassinated in some other city.
Likely, and that nominee would probably still have been Barry Goldwater. I suspect that it wouldn't have been as massive as it was; LBJ got a lot of "sympathy" votes and besides, LBJ knew how to steal votes with the best of them.
Kennedy and Goldwater were friends from their days n the Seante. They had reportedly planned to have a whistle-stop tour together. They would stop in a given town and President Kennedy would explain his view on a given issue, then Senator Goldwater would rebut. At the next stop, they would reverse the order. Win or lose, it might have helped reduce some of the bitter divisiveness we see these days.
You even had guys like General Vlasov, begging to fight alongside the Nazis to get rid of Stalin.
Does anyone even have to say it?
A lot of us in YAF wanted Jack Kemp to be VP, or possibly Phil Crane. Both were conservative members of Congress with a following, and both were noticeably younger than President Reagan. There were others, such as Gov. Pete DuPont, the "patrician populist", to whom Vice President Bush talked down in one of the 1988 debates. ("Pierre, let me help you.")
While still in office, or after his term had expired and he'd gone back to Illinois? Because those are two different scenarios.
The irony of it is that had Lincoln lived, Reconstruction would likely have been much smoother and less punitive. Johnson was trying to implement Lincoln's Reconstruction plan, but he had neither the force nor the political base that Lincoln had, so the Radical Republican under the leadership of Sumner and Stevens prevailed. They might not hve had Lincoln lived.
1. May have delayed the Nazi defeat long enough for them to develop a nuclear bomb. May also have freed up enough time and resources for them to mass produce some of the other advanced weaponry they had in the pipeline.
2. Kennedy was a dead man walking. He had Addison’s disease, which at that time would have led to mental instability and eventual death. Some speculate he was killed so we could have a martyr - why let a death sentence go to waste?
3. Lincoln was a dead man walking. So many wanted him dead, and there was no secret service protection at that time, that it was only a matter of time.
4. That would very much depend on the conservative that he chose.
What if the assassination attempt on Hitler had succeeded?
What if America had stayed out of World War I, as Wilson promised?
The Germans might then have won the Battle of Kursk the following summer and broken the strength of Soviet striking power. Yet, had the Nazi regime lasted through the summer of 1945, Germany would have experienced the first A bomb attack instead of Japan. Germany's eventual defeat was assured because of the Allies' combined strength and determination.
2. What would have happened if Kennedy had not gone to Dallas in 1963?
He probably would have been killed elsewhere by the end of the year. This assumes that Oswald was part of a conspiracy that had the capacity to make repeated attempts on Kennedy's life.
3. What would have happened if Lincoln had not gone to Ford's Theatre in 1865?
The erratic Booth would have missed his chance and, under Lincoln, the South would have experienced a more conciliatory Reconstruction.
4. What would have happened if President Reagan would have replaced George HW Bush as his VP with a Conservative in 1984?
Not only would the political success of a conservative successor to Reagan be uncertain, but it is not at all clear that a suitable conservative VP was available. That, more or less, is why Bush was kept on as V-P in 1984. That was the safe, low risk choice.
Awesome movie! “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son”.
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