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Trump's Wall & Sophisticated underground Mexican tunnels ( vanity )
9/30/15 | sushiman

Posted on 09/30/2015 1:45:56 PM PDT by sushiman

A friend of mine - via Facebook - is arguing that Trump's wall is a pipedream that won't work because of myriad underground tunnels that are dug so deep they are undetectable by GPR . I Googled but couldn't find any current info to use to refute his claim . Anybody here hip to how Trump's wall COULD work ?


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To: thorvaldr

Why not both?


41 posted on 09/30/2015 2:45:14 PM PDT by Califreak (Hope and Che'nge is killing U.S. Feel the Trump-mentum!(insert ireallysupportCruzdisclaimerhere/))
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To: sushiman

A wall is a piece of a solution, not THE solution. Stop ringing the dinner bell is a major part of the solution, too. So is active patrolling of the wall. So is a streamlined deportation process.

Trump has talked about other pieces of his plan besides the wall, but he doesn’t talk about it as a system working together to curtail illegal aliens invading our nation. The press is more than dishonest enough not to talk about it in that way, and his silence on it merely gives the naysayers ammo.


42 posted on 09/30/2015 2:47:44 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: entropy12

china built that wall to keep the natives form leaving en masse

Ive heard rumors that California is currently at work on plans to do the same thing!

israel is a TINY Nation....thus all that was needed was a tiny wall.

Remember also that we have both Large SOUTHERN and Large Northern Borders to consider.

I think a MISSILE defense would work though

one strike and youre vaporized


43 posted on 09/30/2015 2:53:03 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Mr. K

The real problem illegals are drug dealers and murderers. The illegal who killed Kate in San Francisco would never be caught with your proposal. The illegals who are actually doing useful jobs are not the worst problem. Your method single out only those workers.

However I have proposed mandated short prison time for CEO’s of any outfit found employing illegals. That would be cheaper and more effective than e-verify, and fines. Corporations will hire illegals and pay fines without hesitation. But mandatory prison time for CEO, will stop them all in their tracks.


44 posted on 09/30/2015 2:53:50 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors! Trump has no rich donors)
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To: sushiman
A wall isn't the most effective, but it is the most expensive way to go. The easiest way is to require that all employers use e-Verify, and spend money to enforce that law.

The initial draw for illegals is jobs. No jobs, no freebies, they will self deport.

45 posted on 09/30/2015 2:55:22 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: thorvaldr

Ask the Chinese why they built a 13,000 mile wall and if it was effective against illegals.


46 posted on 09/30/2015 2:56:06 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors! Trump has no rich donors)
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To: sushiman

There are many hundreds of miles of border that illegals can cross at will. A few tunnels are not going to carry even a small fraction of the traffic that crosses hundreds of miles of open border. And tunnels are discovered sooner or later on the US side.

And I wouldn’t bet that there are so many that couldn’t be detected with some sort of sonar.


47 posted on 09/30/2015 2:58:17 PM PDT by Will88
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To: sushiman

Where the sections of border fence have been built, as in San Diego, it works as intended. Illegals had to go around, and drug traffic was cut down considerably.


48 posted on 09/30/2015 3:26:37 PM PDT by Defiant (I wouldn't have to mansplain if it weren't for all those wymidiots.)
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To: sushiman
No reasonable person thinks the wall will stop everyone trying to come in. The Yankee Navy couldn't stop every blockade runner or rowboat, either.

What the wall CAN do is stop the swarming multitude from coming in by reducing the number of people who come across illegally.

If anyone can do it, anyone will.

As it gets harder or more expensive, the traffic will slow. The harder and more expensive it gets, the fewer people will just diddy-bop into the US.

49 posted on 09/30/2015 3:26:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: USNBandit

Which is also all in his plan.


50 posted on 09/30/2015 3:27:57 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sushiman

There’s an old saying that locks help keep honest people honest, but nothing stops your really dedicated thief. A wall is the same thing. It absolutely will not STOP illegals and drug smuggling and the like. But done right (always a tough nut with the government) it will increase the level of dedication needed and that will reduce these problems.


51 posted on 09/30/2015 3:30:44 PM PDT by discostu (dream big and dance a lot)
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To: maddog55

I have an idea for a downward directed shaped charge mine that could put an end to tunneling, too, without causing surface problems...


52 posted on 09/30/2015 3:31:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: thorvaldr
The coyotes, cartels etc. have a lot of capital to play with and it will not be simple, easy or cost effective to stop them.

Part of the problem is that there are almost infinite options, and infinite patrols are simply not possible. The profit side of the balance sheet controls who has what opportunity, and the cartels have much to gain, and incredible resources, courtesy of the US making it relatively easy to smuggle stuff in here.

This will become a matter of national (military) security in short order, if it isn't already.

If you want to be able to screen entry, you need choke points. A wall gives you that.

If you want people to stop coming into your country to get free stuff, maybe you should stop giving them free stuff.

I fully agree. Reducing incentive to be here (aside from becoming American) would help.

Making it harder to get across will reduce the number of people invading. Historically, it is far more effective than doing nothing.

53 posted on 09/30/2015 3:40:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: entropy12
The illegals who are actually doing useful jobs are not the worst problem. Your method single out only those workers.

Tell that to someone looking for work.

Do illegals have to be covered under Obamacare?

54 posted on 09/30/2015 3:50:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: discostu
Actually, I think we can placate environmentalists and keep illegals at bay at the same time. The Environmentalists are gung-ho to populate America with Cougar and wolves.

Build a double fence, and populate the intervening area with cougar and wolves...

55 posted on 09/30/2015 3:52:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Correct, Israel is Tiny and has a tiny budget and a tiny wall.

US is big, has a big budget and can build a big wall.

Drugs smugglers and murderers and rapists are mostly coming across the unprotected southern border.

Mexico will pay for the wall, estimated to cost $5 Billion. Trade deficit with Mexico $45 Billion EVERY YEAR. We have the leverage and Trump has the balls.
Trump also has a history of building things UNDER budget and ahead of schedule.

OTOH Canada wall is not needed urgently, and we have mo leverage over Canada to make them pay for the wall.


56 posted on 09/30/2015 4:04:13 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors! Trump has no rich donors)
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To: Smokin' Joe

That is slightly out of context reply. Me and the other poster were discussing wall versus e-verify. I tried to explain that the most undesirable illegals, such as the illegal who killed Kate in SF will not be trapped by e-verify since they do not work at jobs.

I am by no means favoring illegals taking American jobs. They should all come in legally. They should all be deported (only Trump uses the word DEPORT in 2016) and then may be allowed to come in legally on selective basis, and never on a blanket pardon like Reagan.


57 posted on 09/30/2015 4:13:32 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors! Trump has no rich donors)
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To: Smokin' Joe

How about a 100 foot wide moat fed by water from the Rio Grande river, and populated with gators & crocs & unwanted pythons from Florida? Throw in a few bunches of Piranha fish to feed the crocs and that would drastically reduce need for border guards.


58 posted on 09/30/2015 4:22:27 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors! Trump has no rich donors)
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To: entropy12
It would be the equivalent of another Panama Canal, only much longer.

A real 'shovel ready' job.

California would want the water, Gator tacos would become a staple diet on the south side, and you'd be able to spot the illegals by their alligator shoes.

59 posted on 09/30/2015 4:40:45 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: sushiman

By that logic since condoms are only 99% effective everyone should have unprotected sex.


60 posted on 09/30/2015 4:58:55 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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