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Vanity - When did France hit rock bottom?

Posted on 07/26/2015 5:22:37 AM PDT by Perdogg

I am reading Day of Jackal, I had read it 30 years ago but in my re-reading I have realized that France, even though unstable politically, was run by competent individuals interested in securing the history and legacy of France. Charles de Gaulle might have a autocratic and I am opposed to such, but he is miles ahead of Francois Holland. When did France turn the corner for the worse? Was it the 70s?


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: dayofthejackal; europeanunion; france; nato
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1 posted on 07/26/2015 5:22:37 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Fronce.


2 posted on 07/26/2015 5:26:03 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


3 posted on 07/26/2015 5:30:11 AM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush - stay outta da Bushesh)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Back in 1789. I have been there over 60 times.


4 posted on 07/26/2015 5:31:29 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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To: Perdogg

DeGaulle was a rather unique figure. France has been on the decline since the French Revolution and the decision of many of the French people to abandon Christianity.


5 posted on 07/26/2015 5:32:58 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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“France has been on the decline since the French Revolution and the decision of many of the French people to abandon Christianity.”

Yep. The revolutionaries killed the intelligencia. The inculcated liberalism as the new religion.

I read about an American couple who started a business there and hired a young Frenchman. They did something that their employee thought violated the French labor laws so, rather than mentioning it to them, he turned them in as he’d been taught to do in school. The government came down with all its might and the American couple had to abandon the business and leave rather than face the draconian fallout of their mistake. (They experienced a huge loss of investment capital and time.) The boy apologized in tears as he had no idea what the government would do. But he did as he’d been taught, as the dutiful “worker” he was.


6 posted on 07/26/2015 5:39:27 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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7 posted on 07/26/2015 5:45:25 AM PDT by DeFault User
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Charles de Gaulle? You can stop right there. After France was liberated he emerged out of hiding to claim he was the was the man behind the liberation.

He insisted to the allies he wanted that recognition, they choked on it but they allowed him his ‘hero’ status.


8 posted on 07/26/2015 5:47:26 AM PDT by RetSignman (Obama is the walking, talking middle finger in the face of America)
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To: Perdogg
When did France turn the corner for the worse?

How about 1688? That year, France's losing streak in wars began with the Nine Years' War, aka the War of the League of Augsburg or the War of the Palatine Succession. With the arguable exceptions of the War of the American Revolution, WWI, and some colonial conflicts, it continued through the Algerian War, which ended in 1962.

9 posted on 07/26/2015 5:56:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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harles de Gaulle? You can stop right there. After France was liberated he emerged out of hiding to claim he was the was the man behind the liberation.

There are a vast number of things to dislike about de Gaulle, but his physical and civic bravery cannot seriously be questioned.

10 posted on 07/26/2015 6:03:20 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Perdogg

They have lost their nation in the name of diversity. They have allowed way too many muzzies in their nation.


11 posted on 07/26/2015 6:14:51 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Perdogg

The Day of the Jackal is a great book! The first version of the movie was very good, too.

But, it’s a thriller novel; it’s not a history documentary! How can one judge the competence of the French authorities from it, LOL?


12 posted on 07/26/2015 6:18:19 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: novels, good ones, reflect reality. If they don’t, why would anyone bother to read them?


13 posted on 07/26/2015 6:21:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Gen.Blather
The boy apologized in tears as he had no idea what the government would do.
A scene to be repeated a million times should Hitlery, or any DemoRat, win in 2016.
14 posted on 07/26/2015 6:23:47 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Fiji Hill

A fellow named Napoleon had quite a good run for 20 years. The other Napoleon fellow had a two game winning streak with wins over Russia and Austria back in the 50’s. It seems the home team here has not had a big win over a First Division opponent since 1945. Our record was a tie with a top of the standings team, with a win against a A ball team, and a loss against AAA competition. In two games in progress, the home team’s bullpen has spit the bit, and two losses against A ball competition seem in the cards unless a late rally saves the day.


15 posted on 07/26/2015 6:35:24 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Fair enough. Do you think DeGaulle is a better leader than Holland?


16 posted on 07/26/2015 6:51:17 AM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush - stay outta da Bushesh)
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To: Perdogg

Oui!


17 posted on 07/26/2015 6:55:54 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: boycott

So many muzzies in France now, that the French might start being nice to American tourists for the first time.

Unless they prefer German tourists.

No reference to 1940! I just heard that Teutonic tippers are the worst.


18 posted on 07/26/2015 7:11:07 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Perdogg

1914....


19 posted on 07/26/2015 9:06:44 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Time to put the taxpayer first)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Yes, the French never fully recovered from the Revolution.


20 posted on 07/26/2015 9:08:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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