Posted on 06/26/2015 6:25:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW
Reducing yourself to any defense of communists is putting yourself a bit too low.
Well, at least he’s not impolite.
Found one a few days ago with a 2002 sign up that just started posting in January 2015. He was polite too.
We have the Democrat (Communist Party USA) , and the Republican (Useful Idiot) Party-Mission accomplished :-(
Haven’t read Skousen’s book. But I just went to your link and read the Communist Manifesto. It’s not really accurate to call it the Party’s Manifesto, because it seems to me that implies it was produced by the Party. And of course it preceded any Party by decades.
I see little correspondence between the Manifesto and this list. The list describes a bunch of tactics by which the Party will supposedly achieve its goals. The Manifesto is a sweeping description of the past, present (1848) and future of the world. Most of which has not at all come true, and for that matter has little to do with the actual practice of Communist parties and governments.
Can we do a Poland or do we have to wait 40 years? China has been so for 65 years.
In what way is pointing out that a document purportedly produced by communists was not produced by them “defending communists?”
What you are in essence claiming is that this list is “fake but accurate,” which may indeed be true.
But I think conservatism’s single most important basis is a respect for reality and the truth. We don’t make up stuff about our opponents, even if it is convenient.
I’ve similarly been accused of “defending” Mormons and Muslims when I point out that accusations against them are untrue.
Personally, I think there are plenty of entirely true things to criticize about Mormonism, Islam and Communism. Why should we stoop to making things up? Don’t people realize that one of the best ways to discredit your own position is to make an accusation that is easily proven false? It damages your credibility in making other, entirely truthful arguments.
The headline reads “The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals”
Unless I’m misreading it, that means or at least implies that some Communist Party or group has declared these are their goals.
In actual fact, they’re what Skousen has declared their goals to be. As I’ve said, he may be right. But why are his declarations, in and of themselves, any more authoritative than those proclaimed in the Elders of Zion to be the “declared goals” of the Jews? This list is simply one man’s opinion as to what the goals of his enemies are.
How do you know it wasn’t produced by them?
Someone in the FBI would have access to underground CPUSA documents.
No, it does not have to be an open declaration of goals.
How sad.
It may have been. Feel free to provide evidence it was. Until then, it is simply a list produced by an anti-communist author and entered into the Congressional Record by a congressman at the request of a retired newspaper editor.
Neither I nor anybody else can prove the negative that it was NOT produced by the Communist Party. That’s why those who make assertions are required to provide evidence.
Sure, I’ll go right into the FBI archives and “provide evidence”. Like there isn’t enough published communist stuff to corroborate.
I am not anti-women or anti-equality for women but I am anti-Feminazi. NOW is anti-woman and anti-American.
NOW is the only entity here that is truly misogynistic.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:
[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Communist
The Naked Communist is a 1958 book by an ex FBI agent, United States author political theorist Cleon Skousen.[1][2] The book has been reprinted several times, the most recent of which was a 2014 printing through Izzard Ink Publishing, and has sold more than 1 million copies.[3]
On January 10, 1963 Florida Congressman Albert S. Herlong, Jr. quoted Skousen’s book per a request by Patricia Nordman, publisher of the now defunct De Land Courier.
The author posits and seeks to describe a geopolitical strategy by which the Marxist–Leninist Soviet Union was attempting to overcome and control all the governments of the world that were not members of the Communist bloc. At the time that the book was published, during the Cold War, fear of communism was common among people in non-communist nations.
Critical reception for The Naked Communist has been divisive. Max Blumenthal heavily criticized the book in his 2009 book Republican Gomorrah, where he dismissed it as a “right-peddling conspiracy tract”.[5] In contrast the book has been highly praised by Glenn Beck and American neurosurgeon Ben Carson,[6] the latter of which stated that “The Naked Communist lays out the whole progressive plan. It is unbelievable how fast it has been achieved.”[7][8][9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleon_Skousen
Willard Cleon Skousen (January 20, 1913 – January 9, 2006) was an American author, conservative American constitutionalist and faith-based political theorist.[1] He was also a prolific popularizer among Latter-day Saints (Mormons) (LDS) of their theology. A notable anti-communist and supporter of the John Birch Society,[2] Skousen’s works involved a wide range of subjects including the Six-Day War, Mormon eschatology, New World Order conspiracies, and parenting.[3] His most popular works are The 5,000 Year Leap and The Naked Communist. A book by Skousen on end times prophecy, The Cleansing of America, was published by Valor Publishing Group in 2010, four years after his death.
In June 1935, Skousen went to work for the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, a New Deal program to subsidize farmers. Soon thereafter, he found employment with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), working as a messenger while attending law school at night. In 1940, after receiving his law degree and passing the Washington D.C. bar exam, he became an FBI Special Agent.[7] FBI memos have described his work at the Bureau as mainly clerical and administrative.[3] Skousen left the FBI in 1951. Ironically, the FBI would maintain a file on Skousen that would come to number more than 2,000 pages.[3]
From 1951 to 1955, he taught at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. In 1956, Salt Lake City mayor Adiel F. Stewart hired Skousen to serve as police chief in the wake of a police department scandal.[7] Skousen was a well-respected police chief for nearly four years.[9]
In 1960, newly elected mayor J. Bracken Lee dismissed Skousen shortly after Skousen raided an illegal poker club where Lee was in attendance.[10][11] National Review commentator Mark Hemingway characterized the gathering as “a friendly card game.”[12] Skousen supporters protested the abrupt firing by disrupting a city council meeting[13] and planting burning crosses on Lee’s lawn.[14] Lee characterized Skousen’s strict enforcement of anti-gambling laws as Gestapo-like.[9][15] Lee said that although Skousen was an anti-communist, he “ran the police department in exactly the same manner as the Communists in Russia operate their government.”[12] Time magazine reported in 1960 that Skousen’s “real offense seemed to be that he had failed to show enough enthusiasm for Lee’s determination to slash the police-department budget.” [9] Lee told a friend that Skousen was “one of the greatest spenders of public funds of anyone who ever served in any capacity in Salt Lake City government”, and a “master of half truths”.[12] According to the NCCS (an organization founded by Skousen), Skousen had eliminated the sources of illegal activity in the city by 1959.[16] After Skousen’s firing (according to the NCCS), his model police programs were dismantled, and crime increased, on the average, by 22%.[16]
Skousen continued his involvement in law enforcement issues by working as the editor of the police journal, “Law and Order,” for fifteen years. He also served as Field Director for the American Security Council, but an increasing perception of paranoia resulted in his abrupt termination in 1962.[17] He later returned to Brigham Young University as a Professor in the Religion Department in 1967, retiring in 1978.
After losing his police job, Skousen founded a group called the All-American Society, which Time magazine described in 1961 as an “exemplar of the far-right ultras.”[17] Throughout the 1960s, Skousen was also admired by members and leaders of the John Birch Society, although members of the more mainstream conservative movement and the American Security Council[3] snubbed him out of fear that his controversial views would hurt the credibility of the conservative movement. Skousen used Birch Society magazines as source and reference material,[7] and was pictured on the cover of its magazine, American Interest. Although he was never officially a member of the organization, he was a member of its speakers’ bureau and lectured at John Birch Society events throughout the United States for many years. A 1962 FBI memo described Skousen as affiliating with an “extreme right-wing” group which was promoting “anticommunism for obvious financial purposes”.[3] Skousen authored a pamphlet titled The Communist Attack on the John Birch Society, characterizing criticism of the Society as incipient communism.[12]...
...In The Naked Communist, a lengthy primer published in 1958, he enlivened a survey of the worldwide leftist threat with outlandish claims, writing that F.D.R.’s adviser Harry Hopkins(*) had treasonously delivered to the Soviets a large supply of uranium, and that the Russians built the first Sputnik with plans stolen from the United States. A year before Richard Condon’s novel The Manchurian Candidate appeared, Skousen announced that the Communists were creating “a regimented breed of Pavlovian men whose minds could be triggered into immediate action by signals from their masters.” A later book, The Naked Capitalist, decried the Ivy League Establishment, who, through the Federal Reserve, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Rockefeller Foundation, formed “the world’s secret power structure.” The conspiracy had begun, Skousen wrote, when reformers like the wealthy banker Edward M. (Colonel) House, a close adviser to President Woodrow Wilson, helped put into place the Federal Reserve and the graduated income tax. [...] In 1981, he produced The 5,000 Year Leap, a treatise that assembles selective quotations and groundless assertions to claim that the U.S. Constitution is rooted not in the Enlightenment but in the Bible, and that the framers believed in minimal central government.
—Sean Wilentz, Princeton University historian
Hopkins a spy?[edit]
Someone has vandalized this page.
“Such critiques of Roosevelt and Hopkins as the notorious book, Verona Secrets, paint Hopkins as a Russian spy. No such allegation has been substantiated or proven.” http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1610.html. It’s pretty sad really.
[The above anonymous comment was added 19:15, 16 July 2005 from IP 24.5.145.42]
- What is sad is your reliance on stale history and offer of only opinion. Information is actually coming from the Soviet archives that Hopkins was in fact considered an “agent of influence” for the Soviets inside the U.S. Do you speak Russian? Have you read any of the recently declassified information contained in Moscow? Do you have contacts in the Eastern bloc with knowledge of WWII political secrets? Are you really satisified with the “authority” of a website on US history that looks to be more concerned with hosting google ads than with the facts of history.
[The above anonymous comment was added 01:47, 13 February 2006 from IP 24.52.166.132]
...The question is still being studied; Hopkins certainly had contact with Soviet intelligence in a diplomatic capacity. There is a problem however regarding identification of one source which basically is either Hopkins or one other person. The identification may never be made. Til, then, Hopkins enjoys the benefit of the doubt. Nobs01 19:28, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
The unidentified source is Zamestitel, which means “deputy” in Russian. Originally counterintellignece thought it to be Henry A. Wallace. At the Trident Conference the Soviets had a very high contact, Source No. 19 (Gorsky Memo), who reported on sensitive conversations between FDR & Churchill and a third high official. See Edward Mark, “Venona Source 19 and the Trident Conference of May 1943: Diplomacy or Espionage?”, Intelligence and National Security 13, no. 2 (April 1998), pgs. 1-31. Nobs01 19:40, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
How far down the rabbit hole do we want to go in sniffing out the basis or veracity of the original list (printed by a former FBI agent)?
I absolutely agree. What these hateful women have done and the destruction they’ve caused in unconscionable.
The DNC is misogynistic as well. Hillary Clinton was called a B**** in 2008 when she challenged the Golden Child for the nomination. She was bought off with a cabinet position (for which she was unqualified).
When Sarah Palin became the VP candidate, she was not only called a B**** but a C*** and assaulted with rape threats and rape jokes aimed at her and her daughter. She was lynched in effigy by homofacists on the eve of the election in West Hollywood (as part of a “Halloween” display, don’t recall if it remained up into November).
Any woman who isn’t a liberal Democrat is verbally assaulted as a sell out and a traitor to the vagina.
And I agree that it is valid to question the origins, just pointing out the cited source transcription (which allegedly came from other documents).
Dissent (the magazine) was not illegal to own.
Neither was the Daily Worker.
Don’t know where you will find archives of either publication (and an enumerated list of naked sedition on cultural warfare may not be found in either place).
I’d wager that NOW wasn’t very public about their foundational meetings either. But I’d consider the sister of one of the founders (who was there to witness it) is a credible source.
I think he wants to find the snakes in the rabbit hole. Problem is, once you do, they typically bite you; they have the advantage in a confined space.
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