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Young shooter double barrel .410

Posted on 06/19/2015 5:51:48 PM PDT by rey

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The problem with .410s is that they're always equipped with full chokes, making it really difficult for a young shooter to hit anything with it. At least all of them I've ever seen.

I suggest seeing what's available in a 28 gauge or perhaps a 20 gauge yute model with a shortened length of pull and short barrel, etc.

I know some clay shooting purists frown on it, but I don't think anyone would really hold it against you if you got a gas-operated auto for her. I'm pretty sure Remington offers their 1100 series and 11-87 series in a yute model, and I've heard that they have a new auto with some kind of exotic recoil-operated mechanism that is supposed to help with recoil too. Honestly I don't know much about these; my hunting days are behind me, regrettably and I'm not into clay shooting, but I'd suggest looking in this direction - a gas-operated yute model in 28 gauge or 20 gauge.

JMO.

41 posted on 06/19/2015 6:44:48 PM PDT by OKSooner (Chamberlain at least loved his country, please don't insult his memory by comparing him to 0.)
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To: doc1019

Mine had a plastic stock too....it was in the ‘40’s. It was a Stevens and my nephew has it now. Had an Ithaca Trap single shot 12 ga. that was stolen. Have an old Winchester Model 12 pump I love and a few others for trap and hunting. LOVE the smell of gunpowder!


42 posted on 06/19/2015 6:47:12 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: rey

CZ makes some nice shotguns. They have a S X S in 410, 28, 20, 16 and 12 gauge.

Same for over and unders.


43 posted on 06/19/2015 6:47:39 PM PDT by wrench
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I'd go with 20 gauge or even a 12 gauge, and, no, I am not crazy. First, there are a whole lot more load options for those two sizes, and they have better availability, at least in my area. Second, if she can hold the weight of the gun, shooting it is no problem with a reduced recoil load.

It's far better to get lots of pellets and a good chance of hitting with the reduced recoil load on a 12 gauge than to have almost the same recoil on a normal 28 gauge load. Think about it, and try my suggestion at a range or store that will let her borrow/rent.

Note: I am not endorsing Winchester's or NobleSport's loads over the others, just using them as examples. My experience is that kids around age 10-12 are comfortable with the kick and enjoy getting more hits with the extra pellets.

44 posted on 06/19/2015 6:48:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: rey

There is a beautiful old Iver Johnson double barrel .410 “Skeeter” for sale on GunBroker right now. The current bid is $582.77 with another week left in the auction. It will go for more dough but it is a great looking shotgun.


45 posted on 06/19/2015 6:51:18 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: rey

What is the reasoning behind the single barrel to double barrel delineation?


46 posted on 06/19/2015 6:51:40 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Mollypitcher1

Made in the 40’s or you had it in the 40’s ... ?


47 posted on 06/19/2015 6:51:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (Blue lives matter)
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To: rey

Quit screwing around with a .410 and get her a browning .20 gauge. Soft as He##. We had one for sporting clays.


48 posted on 06/19/2015 6:56:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Dixie Pirate; rey

I was going to suggest a 20 auto as well. The auto helps absorb the recoil. Browning has a gel-pad insert for their shooting vests that really does help. That price with all the chokes sounds good for a beginner.

My daughter just started shooting. She used my 20 lightweight pump at first. She now uses a 12 over-under that is a lot heavier. Lot less kick due to the weight. Although after a tournament of 600 rounds she can feel it!

Lots of gun ranges have rental guns. Look into youth shooting programs. Free ammo and range time during practice! Sort of like giving the kids free drugs to get them addicted for life!

http://www.usashooting.org/membership/youth-programs/youth-shotgun/scholastic-clay-target-program


49 posted on 06/19/2015 6:56:49 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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All guns eject a bullet or shot from the barrel. The momentum of the ejected particles (momentum is mass times velocity) must be supported by the holder of the gun. It’s called ‘kick’. This is basic physics. It cannot be denied. A year old girl usually doesn’t have the mass (weight) to support a 12 gauge shot.


50 posted on 06/19/2015 6:57:53 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: doc1019

I had it in the ‘40’s and Dad said it had a plastic stock because it was a “war gun”. I suppose he meant it was made early in the war????? I think the top barrel was full choke and the lower barrel modified, if I remember correctly.


51 posted on 06/19/2015 7:00:35 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: rey

Get a 20 gauge semi-auto such as a Remington 1100 or 1187.
I started shooting skeet in the late 60’s with an 1100 20 ga at the age of 8.

-Make sure you get one with a skeet or improved cylinder choke.
-20 because 410 and 28 ammo much more expensive.
-If the gun kicks too much, have the barrel ported and forcing cones lengthened.


52 posted on 06/19/2015 7:03:28 PM PDT by SakoL61R
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My boat’s engineer used a Remington 1100 in .410 for sleeting. He thought it was better than a 12 gauge. Quicker to point, quicker to transit, cheaper to load. What ‘s not to like. Plus it won’t beat you up. A .410 would be a good skeeter for an adult or a child.


53 posted on 06/19/2015 7:05:54 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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BTTT


54 posted on 06/19/2015 7:06:32 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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Now that’s. The way to shoot sheets.


55 posted on 06/19/2015 7:06:49 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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I started out at the age of eight with a single shot, break action, .410. Started to hunt at 11 (the earliest legal age to hunt back then) and graduated to a 12 gauge pump at the age of 13.

After getting used to the .410 and gaining experience,if she does not like the kick of 12 or 20 gauges, have her try a 28 gauge. There are still many models out there and 28 gauge ammo can be found without much difficulty.


56 posted on 06/19/2015 7:16:37 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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I’m surprised how some girls go for larger calibers than you’d expect them to.

My daughter is 5'7" and barely weighs over 100lbs. She likes to use my old Western Field (Mossberg) 12 gauge pump that my dad bought for me in the early 70s. She can break a lot of clays with that thing. I tried to get her to use a 20 gauge but she did not like it much.

57 posted on 06/19/2015 7:20:29 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: rey

I’m a big gun guy and I agree with those that say that a .410 is not good for a beginner because it is very hard to hit anything moving with it. A 28 gauge or a 20 gauge with reduced load would be better. You can always get a recoil pad for the shotgun. The only people I know that use the 410 are extremely good shots, because they have to be. My daughter is 5’ and weighs 95 lbs. I cut down the stock on a 20 gauge and put on a recoil pad. She did fine AND now likes to shoot- a lot.


58 posted on 06/19/2015 7:22:02 PM PDT by fini
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My nine year old son has a .410 bolt action my granddaddy gave me before he passed away. It’s a good little skeet bun. I think is a Sears brand or something


59 posted on 06/19/2015 7:22:40 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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The important thing is the length of pull. You need a youth size stock, or cut one down. 12ga is fine with winchester AA “featherlights”.


60 posted on 06/19/2015 7:28:21 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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