Posted on 05/19/2015 10:33:26 PM PDT by iowamark
Goods bound for the American market as a whole could have gone to any port when tariffs were equal. Lower tariffs would draw off trade. This had been illustrated for years in New Orleans where the Baratarians ran a thriving smuggling business. The long border between a coastal Confederacy and its US neighbors would have been hard to police.
You can hardly compare the relatively small amount of goods smuggled in by Jean Lafitte with they hundreds of millions of dollars worth of goods that the North imported every year.
“You detract from your already flimsy case when you attempt to demagogue.”
What I posted is a statement of fact- George Washington was one of the largest slaveowners of his day. You can call it demagoguery if you want, most would regard it as simple historical fact.
“Well, there you go again. You overstate both Brown’s influence, his support, and his impact. If he was “widely praised as something akin to a Messiah” some of that praise should have survived to the present.”
It’s not hard to find:
“Just days after the raid, Brown’s trial began. It would take a week. On November 2, the jury deliberated for forty-five minutes and reached their verdict: guilty of murder, treason, and inciting slave insurrection. The South rejoiced in Brown’s execution. But hanging was not the end of John Brown; it was the beginning. Throughout the North, church bells tolled for him. In Massachusetts, Henry David Thoreau proclaimed, “Some 1800 years ago, Christ was crucified. This morning, Captain Brown was hung. He is not Old Brown any longer; he is an angel of light.” “
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/brown/filmmore/description.html
http://antislavery.eserver.org/poetry/john-brown-poetry
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/brown/filmmore/transcript/transcript1.html
John Brown’s backers:
www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/brown/filmmore/description.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/brown/peopleevents/pande06.html
http://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2009/09/the-last-days-of-john-brown-the-secret-six.html
“John Brown has often come down to us as a lone nut, bent on an suicidal mission, but this is far from the truth. Brown was part of a larger movement to free slaves that grew with passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 (which required the return of escaped slaves to their masters with all its potential for torture and death at their hands) and the large Underground Railroad movement. It’s little understood that Brown was intimate with northern politicians, industrialists, ministers, and folks from all walks of life, including the leading intellectuals of the era – the Transcendentalists.”
It’s a difference of scale and not type. A thousand mile border would have been difficult to police compared to a port.
“the worship of jackals by jackasses.”
That’s good. I wonder if he was comparing democracy to a representative republic.
Well we are probably going to get another go at it real soon. :-)
“some of that praise should have survived to the present.”
If by “the present” you mean 2015, it seems to me like very little of our history has survived to the present.
Why is Arlington a cemetery? Who was the Yellow Rose of Texas? How many people did German saboteurs kill within our borders? How many people did FDR clap in mental hospitals without due process? What did Kennedy give Khrushchev in return for publicly ceasing to install missile silos in Cuba?
If you like historical novels, there is a great one about John Brown. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flashman-Angel-Lord-Papers-Book/dp/000721720X?tag=duc08-21 (Caution: contains some indecency.)
Just as I thought - a few fringe characters attracted to a fringe loonie. Some of them referred to as a “Secret” group. There were never any throngs of admirers. There was never an official sanction by any government.
I will admit that there was an uptick in the curious who were attracted to all the fuss, but where were all of the “copy-cat” uprisings? The vast armies of grass-roots abolitionists sweeping over the southern countryside? It didn’t happen and those who squawked dire about it were looked upon as “chicken-little” characters.
John Brown was personally known to Frederick Douglass, who declined to get involved in Brown’s terrorism. Brown was well known among abolitionists.
The Secret Six were prominent men, rich men who supplied him with guns and pikes and wagons and whatever else he wanted. His past murders at Ossawatomie were known to them.
Brown was championed by the Transcendentalists, the premier literary set of the time. Brown’s supporters were far from fringe. They were rich and influential, similar to today’s Hollywood and Silicon Valley radicals.
I’ve read a couple of biographies of John Brown. Otto Scott’s “Secret Six” being one of them, the title of the other escapes me at the moment.
And hundreds of millions of dollars worth of imports would have been impossible to smuggle over the border, given that there were a limited number of rivers and railroads to ship them on.
‘To Purge This Land With Blood’, Stephen Oates, Univ of Massachusetts Press is a very detailed biography of John Brown.
Large sections of it are available for free at google books:
https://books.google.com/books/about/To_Purge_this_Land_with_Blood.html?id=ugB4_JPfieYC
Even a cursory reading will dispel the idea that Brown was a “fringe loonie” with insignificant admirers. He was very well known within abolitionist circles. He had known Frederick Douglass since 1847, and spent a month living with him in 1858 as he was hatching his conspiracy. His supporters, Gerrit Smith for example, owned mansions. They were men of means and influence.
So what you’re projecting is a southern economy where smuggling into a neighboring country is a major activity.
Pretty much
PING me when this idiot shows up.
Really Dog
You know damn well why Virginia votes democrat now
Cause libtard yankees have streamed in for that DC trough From Uncle Sam
My money....our taxes
Yankees ruin about everywhere in the south if their numbers are great enough
First Florida then Virginia and maybe North Carolina
That was a faux pas by Doobie Dawg
That’s french btw ...for saying or doing something you should know better of
I was aware that the truth sometimes hurts, but I wasn't aware that it was a faux pas.
Yeah if you spoke the truth
If you libtard yankees stayed home Florida and Virginia and North Carolina would be solid conservative states
But you didn’t
Your bunch rurnt where they are and headed to Dixie to ruin it too with the same mindset which killed where they came from
You can’t blame southerners for that not the white ones anyhow
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