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Make the Confederacy's Defeat a National Holiday (Hurl)
New Republic ^ | April 5, 2015 | Brian Beutler

Posted on 04/06/2015 11:47:50 AM PDT by C19fan

In a speech one month ago, the first black president of the United States challenged millions of white Americans to resist the convenient allure of overlooking the country’s blemished moral record. It was a dual challenge, actually—first to the classical understanding of American exceptionalism, but also to America’s persistent critics, who abjure the concept of exceptionalism altogether.

“What greater expression of faith in the American experiment than this?” President Barack Obama said. “What greater form of patriotism is there than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical, that each successive generation can look upon our imperfections and decide that it is in our power to remake this nation to more closely align with our highest ideals?”

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: anniversary; civil; confederacy; dixie; war
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To: C19fan

I am not a fan of the Confederacy, but this is just stupid.

Confederate soldiers fought as tenaciously and bravely as any people in history for the cause they believed in. The war was at root a dispute over what America was going to be.

I think the CSA was mostly, though not entirely, on the wrong side of that dispute. I’m glad they lost, for American and the world, but valor even in a mistaken cause can be honored.

BTW, we name warships and fighting helicopters after Indians, individuals and tribes that fought America as hard as they could and lost. Mostly with a great deal less honor than showed by the CSA.

Now we all recognize those Indians are Americans too. Fail to see why we can’t do the same with Confederates.


21 posted on 04/06/2015 12:20:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: reg45

What day would you select? The surrender of The Army of Northern Virginia (R. E. Lee), the surrender of Joseph Johnston’s army, the surrender of the armies in Texas, or some other date?

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None of the above.

The [insert pet name of the American conflict 1861-1865 here] was really over in 1863, in early July, when Lee’s northern experiment crashed and burned along with the fall of Vicksburg.

At no point following that did the Confederacy have any chance in succeeding.

So let’s use July 4. The best part, we already celebrate it.


22 posted on 04/06/2015 12:21:08 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Do you really think the democrats have lost their slaves?


23 posted on 04/06/2015 12:25:32 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: tanknetter

I love both sides of this conflict. It disgusts me that there are people who want to destroy the memory of all those boys who died so honorably - on both sides. Shame on all of them. They have no understanding of history. And no mercy.


24 posted on 04/06/2015 12:28:50 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Sherman Logan

Sherman: because it’s a proxy war against the modern day southern conservatives who still uphold American values. By undermining the past, they undermine the present.


25 posted on 04/06/2015 12:30:59 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: catnipman

What’s so inferior about the South? It’s got better food, better weather and nicer people. I speak as a northeasterner.


26 posted on 04/06/2015 12:32:26 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: C19fan

Like making the Death of States Rights a national holiday.


27 posted on 04/06/2015 12:33:25 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: miss marmelstein

I think he was being sarcastic.


28 posted on 04/06/2015 12:33:50 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: WayneS

Oops!


29 posted on 04/06/2015 12:34:28 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: dmz

I call it the War of 1861. That keeps all the politics out of the discussion.


30 posted on 04/06/2015 12:38:10 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: C19fan

Only if “The New Republic” keeps Johnathan Glass’ name at the top of their letterhead.


31 posted on 04/06/2015 12:41:32 PM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: miss marmelstein

I agree, for the most part.

And it’s not just southern conservatives. It’s intended to make “America” look bad and be ashamed of its history.

If America’s past is all bad, then any possible change must be good.

An idiotic and illogical argument, but a popular one on the left.


32 posted on 04/06/2015 12:46:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: miss marmelstein

I was being sarcastic. I was born and raised in the south, and much of what you say is true.


33 posted on 04/06/2015 12:53:13 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: stainlessbanner; wardaddy; Georgia Girl 2; rustbucket

Dixie Ping


34 posted on 04/06/2015 12:55:25 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)
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To: Sherman Logan

Fort Hood and Fort Bragg are named for Confederate generals. Maybe the feeling was that on balance they did more to help than to hinder the Union victory.


35 posted on 04/06/2015 12:59:32 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: reg45
Agreed, "the War of 1861" is a neutral designation.

But are you implying that "the War of Northern Aggression" is somehow tendentious?

36 posted on 04/06/2015 1:01:21 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Don’t forget Fort Polk.


37 posted on 04/06/2015 1:04:57 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Verginius Rufus
But are you implying that "the War of Northern Aggression" is somehow tendentious?

How about just inaccurate?

38 posted on 04/06/2015 1:06:06 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: C19fan

I am thinking contemporary women and men would have been horrified at the thought of this. Lincoln, I know, would have been.


39 posted on 04/06/2015 1:07:02 PM PDT by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
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To: Sherman Logan

Thanks—I had forgotten about Fort Polk (named in honor of Leonidas Polk, not his second cousin President Polk).


40 posted on 04/06/2015 1:14:42 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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