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So, What Evidence Would Persuade You That Man-Made Climate Change Is Real?
Reason ^ | 04/04/2015 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 04/06/2015 7:06:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In 2005, I changed my mind about climate change: I concluded that the balance of the scientific evidence showed that man-made global warming could likely pose a significant problem for humanity by the end of this century. My new assessment did not please a number of my friends, some of whom made their disappointment clear.

At the 2007 annual gala dinner of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a D.C.-based free-market think tank, the master of ceremonies was former National Review editor John O'Sullivan. To entertain the crowd, O'Sullivan put together a counterfeit tale in which I ostensibly had given a lecture on environmental trends pointing out that most were positive. After my talk, O'Sullivan told the audience, a young woman supposedly approached me to express her displeasure with regard to my change of mind on climate change.

Continuing his fable, O'Sullivan recounted to the hundreds of diners that I had tried to explain why my views had shifted. Eventually realizing that the young woman was having none of it, I then purportedly asked her if it wasn't enough that we two actually agreed on most environmental policy issues. The young woman paused for a moment, said O'Sullivan, and then retorted, "I suppose that Pontius Pilate made some good decisions, too." Being compared, even in jest, to the Roman governor who consented to the crucifixion of Jesus is, to say the least, somewhat disconcerting.

Welcome to the most politicized science of our time.

So what evidence would convince you that man-made climate change is possibly real? Keep in mind that despite what progressive dimwits like Naomi Klein might assert, the scientific evidence does not mandate any particular program.

What about higher temperatures? Obviously, in order for there to be any man-made global warming, temperatures must be going up. Are they? Yes.

Concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have increased from 280 parts per million in the late 18th century to around 400 ppm today. And the trend in average global surface temperatures has been increasing since the late 19th century. As I've reported before, all of the global temperature datasets, both the instrumental and satellite, find that the atmosphere has warmed since the 1950s.

By how much? Summed over the past 35 years—that is, since the advent of satellite monitoring—temperatures have increased by at most 0.56 C° (1 F°) and at least by 0.455 C° (0.8 F°). In general, the instrumental records suggest that surface temperatures have warmed on average by about +0.9 C° (1.6 F°) since the 1950s.

Let's look at the near-term trends. The average rate of increase since 1979 varies among the temperature datasets from a high of +0.16 C° to a low of +0.13 C° per decade. The rate of surface temperature increase dramatically slowed after 1998 to rate of around +0.05 C° per decade. Of course, correlation does not imply causation, but how sure can you be that the rise in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases just happens to coincide with an entirely natural increase in average temperatures? Conversely, how sure can you be that a natural decline in average temperatures is not temporarily countering a trend toward to higher temperatures caused by accumulating greenhouse gases? Explanations based on natural variability work both ways. I will address the recent “hiatus” in temperature trends below.

What about converging daytime and nighttime temperatures?

Climatologists predicted that man-made warming would produce a decrease in the differences between low nighttime temperatures and high daytime temperatures. And indeed, a decrease between day and night temperatures has been occurring in the United States, China, Spain, and other regions. This phenomenon is global, although more recently daytime and nighttime temperatures have been increasing at about the same rate. Along with the observed increases in average temperature, heat waves have become more common since the 1950s.

What about earlier spring and later fall seasons?

Many studies find that the onset of spring is occurring earlier than it did decades ago. A 2015 study reports that the advent of spring in the Northern Hemisphere occurs about 4 days earlier than in 1980. A 2006 European study found that spring is arriving about 3 days earlier, and a 2014 study reported that the growing season in the Northern Hemisphere is expanding.

Part of the reason that spring is advancing is that the extent of snow cover in March and April in the Northern Hemisphere has been falling. As a 2011 study in the journal Cryosphere reports, "The rate of decrease in March and April Northern Hemisphere (NH) Snow Cover Extent (SCE) over the 1970–2010 period is ~0.8 million km2 per decade corresponding to a 7% and 11% decrease in NH March and April SCE respectively from pre-1970 values." The decline in snow cover is broadly in line with climate model predictions.

What about disappearing glaciers and Arctic sea ice?

The Arctic-wide melt season has lengthened at a rate of 5 days per decade from 1979 to 2013, according to a 2014 study in Geophysical Research Letters. A 2014 review article looks at what satellite data are telling us about recent climate trends in the Arctic. Temperatures are rising at 0.6°C per decade, about 4 times the global average. Sea ice extent has been falling at 3.8 percent per decade, and spring snow cover is dropping by 2.1 percent per decade. The Greenland ice sheet has been losing mass at a rate of 34 gigatons per year, though that has increased sevenfold since 2002 to an estimated 215 gigatons per year.

Ice is not melting only in the Arctic. Most of the world's 130,000 mountain glaciers are also disappearing.

The growing extent of sea ice in the Antarctic over the past decades is a climate change conundrum. On the face of it, more sea ice would indicate cooling rather than warming. Researchers are still trying to figure out what is going on. One idea is that warmer waters are melting the bases of freshwater Antarctic ice shelves. The fresh water then cools the sea surface thus promoting the freezing of more sea ice. When climate researchers don't understand what is going on they often attribute the empirical trends to "internal variability."

As temperatures increase by 1 degree Celsius, global average water vapor in the atmosphere is estimated to increase by around 7 percent. It is difficult to determine the average global humidity. But a 2005 study parsing satellite data finds that the atmosphere did moisten, as predicted, between 1982 and 2004. A 2014 study confirmed the finding and suggests that the increase is mostly the result of man-made warming.

Increased atmospheric humidity suggests that precipitation should also increase. The data show that this is happening. A 2013 study that analyzed data from nearly 9,000 weather stations from around the globe found increases in annual maximum daily precipitation at nearly two-thirds of the stations since 1900. (Climate change does not appear to be exacerbating hurricanes, tornadoes, or droughts.)

What about warming oceans?

Does the recent 17-year hiatus in rising global temperatures cut strongly against the notion of man-made global warming? The pause certainly was not predicted by the computer climate models. As the researchers at the private consultancy Remote Sensing Systems have noted, "The troposphere has not [their emphasis] warmed as fast as almost all climate models predict." University of Alabama in Huntsville climatologist John Christy compared 102 climate model predictions with actual temperature data and found that "their response to CO2 on average is 2 to 5 times greater than reality." Pretty damning.

Other researchers have reluctantly come to acknowledge that there has been a slowdown in surface temperatures. But while surface temperatures may be on pause, they are convinced that "global heating" is not. Lots of researchers have been reporting that for the past couple of decades, 90 percent of the extra heat from greenhouse warming has been sequestered in the oceans. In February, Nature Climate Change asserted that planetary warming continues "unabated," with most of the excess heat being absorbed by the top 2,000 meters of the oceans. Just how and where the heat gets buried in the oceans remains controversial.

Last year an intriguing study in Science suggested that natural variability in the North Atlantic can keep transporting heat downward into the deep ocean for periods lasting 20 to 35 years. Those researchers propose that "the latter part of the 20th century saw rapid global warming as more heat stayed near the surface. In the 21st century, surface warming slowed as more heat moved into deeper oceans."

How about some falsifiable predictions?

Another February 2015 article in Nature Climate Change makes the bold prediction that the current hiatus will likely last only until the end of this decade. Around 2020, the authors suggest, the oceans will start to release the stored heat and surface temperatures will begin to rise rapidly. An even more alarming (alarmist?) article in the April 2015 Nature Climate Change asserts that the rate global average temperature increases will rise to 0.25°C per decade by 2020, "an average greater than the peak rates of change during the previous one to two millennia."

The future course of man-made warming depends on climate sensitivity, conventionally measured as how high average temperature would eventually increase if atmospheric carbon dioxide were doubled. In recent years, there has have a lot of back and forth between researchers trying to refine their estimates of climate sensitivity. At the low end, some researchers think that temperatures would increase a comparatively trivial 1.5 degrees Celsius; on the high end, some worry it could go as high as high 6 degrees Celsius. The uncertainty over this variable is largely why I think that future warming could become a signficant problem. In a 2014 article in Geophysical Research Letters, a group of researchers calculated that it would take another 20 years of temperature observations for us to be confident that climate sensitivity is on the low end and more than 50 years of data to confirm the high end of the projections. How lucky do you feel?

In his magisterial 1960 essay "Why I Am Not A Conservative," economist Friedrich Hayek observed:

Personally, I find that the most objectionable feature of the conservative attitude is its propensity to reject well-substantiated new knowledge because it dislikes some of the consequences which seem to follow from it—or, to put it bluntly, its obscurantism. I will not deny that scientists as much as others are given to fads and fashions and that we have much reason to be cautious in accepting the conclusions that they draw from their latest theories. But the reasons for our reluctance must be rational and must be kept separate from our regret that the new theories upset our cherished beliefs.

What Evidence Would Persuade You That Man-Made Climate Change Is Real?

It might be that it is just so happens that natural climate variability has boosted global temperatures and the trends discussed above are occurring coincidentally at the same time the concentrations of carbon dioxide are 30 percent above their highest levels in the past 800,000 years. Correlation does not imply causation. The data cited (and uncited) do not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that man-made climate change is real. However, in my best judgment the preponderance of the evidence suggests that the greenhouse gases produced by humanity are warming the climate and that it could be a significant issue later in this century. In the foregoing I have aimed to cite data, not model outputs. I have long been a critic of computer climate models.

To restate: The existence of man-made warming does not mandate any particular policies. So back to the headline question: If generally rising temperatures, decreasing diurnal temperature differences, melting glacial and sea ice, smaller snow extent, stronger rainstorms, and warming oceans are not enough to persuade you that man-made climate is occurring, what evidence would be?


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To: SeekAndFind

So what evidence would convince you that man-made climate change is possibly real?

Ummmm...maybe if there were actual and verifiable studies that proved a cause? Or, I don’t know, maybe if you quit using models that have not been manipulated? Maybe if you could prove any of what you claim actually happens and is a result of man’s actions?

Stuff like that...I know...its a lot to ask...science used to be like that.


41 posted on 04/06/2015 7:31:52 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Da Coyote

Ronald couldn’t spell Physics.
Its like he was pulling words out of the scrabble box to form sentences.


42 posted on 04/06/2015 7:33:58 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: SeekAndFind

For starters, maybe advocating massive civil engineering projects to flood sparsely populated but geographically large below sea level areas such as Egypt’s Qatarra Depression, California’s Death Valley or Russia’s Caspian Sea. Any one of these will do far more to contain rising sea levels (if they were a real threat) than trading carbon credit and handing over more economic and political power to the elites demanding that we let them solve the problem in the particular manner which they advocate.


43 posted on 04/06/2015 7:33:59 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

evidence of man made climate change?

when you show me how aerosol cans and cow farts have melted the polar ice caps... on MARS... then i’ll start to buy it.

until then, i’m blaming the huge fussion reaction in the sky


44 posted on 04/06/2015 7:34:58 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind

the problem is this - he is relying upon data that in some instances has been demonistrated have been corrupted by ‘data corrections’. Unfortunately some scientists have fudged the numbers in order to gain research $$$. The state of science has been eroded to the degree that it is hard to give the claims credability any more.


45 posted on 04/06/2015 7:35:18 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: SeekAndFind

First, I think trends of 20-100 years are meaningless. Why? Because we have no way of knowing if it is a TREND, or a temporary oscillation in recordings. The idea that we know, within 0.01 deg, what the average global temperature was in 1880 is stupid! We have less than 50 years of meaningful data. You cannot create a true climate trend based on 50 years.

Second, the folks pushing man-made global warming have lied a lot of times. The boy who cried wolf too often eventually saw a REAL wolf, but by then no one believed him. That is how I feel about out scientists now. They have lied about so many things, and used biased or selective findings so often, that I simply do not trust any study they come out with any more.

Take food. I’ve spent most of my adult life being told low fat, high carb is “healthy eating”. When I switched last fall to low carb, higher fat, I lost 25 lbs in 2 months, and have lost another 5-6 lbs over the last 4 months - without effort. I’m over 30 lbs lighter, my blood work is better, my blood pressure is down, and I did it by doing the opposite of what the government tells me to do!

So do I trust any government scientist on anything? I see no sign of either competence or honesty in what government scientists - which means almost all scientists anymore - say about anything. Ive seen deliberate distortions in environmental studies. They regularly take a very limited study and draw wildly unfounded conclusions.

So what will it take to convince me we are causing a global temperature change? Well, I won’t live long enough to see it. We’ll know in 200-500 years, I suppose. Until then, they are just pretending to know something. And given how they treat their data, I might not believe them 500 years from now...


46 posted on 04/06/2015 7:35:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: SeekAndFind

How much? How about any at all?


47 posted on 04/06/2015 7:36:01 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I've been to the 15th broken moon of the Medusa Cascade & the diamond coral reefs of Kataa Flo Ko.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“What Evidence Would Persuade You That Man-Made Climate Change Is Real?”

Simple: If there were evidence presented that proved that for the past billion years (prior to the past 100 years) the earth had a completely consistent climate. During this billion years, there were no stages of heating up nor cooling down. There would have to be no ice ages and no leaving ice ages. There would have to be virtually no reports of droughts, floods or hurricanes in recorded history.

Now we we would see in the past 100 years that the temperature was increasing at an exponential level with no pauses or slow-downs. The CO2 would have to be at least 5% of the total atmosphere (not .04% as it is now).

There would have to be NO history of hysterical “scientists” and liberals screaming that we are heading into an ice age or that the the ozone layer is about to disappear.

If all these things were the case, I would definitely seriously consider man made climate change.

Now, what would make them consider it’s NOT real?


48 posted on 04/06/2015 7:36:19 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: SeekAndFind

The author talks about these amazing measurement periods. Like 17 years. 17 years of data. 17 years makes a tend on a billion year old planet. Pffft.


49 posted on 04/06/2015 7:37:23 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: oldplayer
1) Significantly warmer temperatures on a global scale that are verifiable. (So far that is not the case.) 2) The temperatures need to be elevated for 30-years without stops and starts. 3) Those exact temperature increases need to be accurately predicted by a computer model that does not get changed to meet the new data. 4) There must be a scientifically valid and repeatable scientific experimental model that ties in man’s activities with the increased temperature. Get those things and I will move significantly from my skepticism. Oldplayer

Occam's Razor - Solar Scientists have been extremely accurate in predicting the behaviour of the sun and the fact that we are approaching a minimum. They predict global temperatures will fall as solar activity decreases. They have been correct to this point and theirs is the simplest explanation of climate behaviour over the past 20 years.

50 posted on 04/06/2015 7:37:35 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Da Coyote
Ronald would fail high school physics.

OTOH, he can still lunch in public in DC.

51 posted on 04/06/2015 7:39:43 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Still complaining about Obama? You ain't a thinker. Just a sore loser.)
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To: SeekAndFind

First the 800.ooo years ago is crap. They come up with all this junk science and feed it to the so called higher education crowd who for a fact can’t find a job. Then they go out and dance to the drum beat of the goose stepping wacknuts. Once again more dumbing down of our youths and the idiots that follow them.


52 posted on 04/06/2015 7:39:52 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I absolutely accept that the earth is undergoing some degree of climate change; I believe it has always been so. Sometimes faster change, sometimes slower change but change is always happening.

I absolutely believe that Mars is warming. We don’t have a lot of baseline information but a warming trend over the last 30 years shows a warming.

I think that because both of these are true, the warming on both planets must be caused by the same thing; the sun


53 posted on 04/06/2015 7:41:23 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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To: SeekAndFind
To restate: The existence of man-made warming does not mandate any particular policies. So back to the headline question: If generally rising temperatures, decreasing diurnal temperature differences, melting glacial and sea ice, smaller snow extent, stronger rainstorms, and warming oceans are not enough to persuade you that man-made climate is occurring, what evidence would be?

To even start in the debate, I would simply ask "What evidence can you cite that shows a causative effect of man's activities to any of the evidence you have identified?"

Even if these identified conditions are changing, there is no identified evidence that human activity is causative - and the correlation aspects are vastly overstated.

Finally, the question being asked is bass-ackwards. The believers need to answer the question "what would contradict the selected answer?" Without falsification criteria, there can NEVER be a scientific process.

54 posted on 04/06/2015 7:42:01 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: MNDude

Ohh.. and lastly, I those darn predictions \calculations made 10 to 20 years ago would have to be coming true as predicted.


55 posted on 04/06/2015 7:42:06 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: SeekAndFind

So much focus is on whether or not man-made climate change exists; when it really should be be, does man-made climate-change matter?

Adapting to environmental conditions has been going on for billions and billions of year by all species. The godless progressives are so gleeful in touting the evolutionary process, yet don’t have must trust in it when it comes to mankind.

In reality, the man-made climate change issue is used by the progressives as a cover for another power grab. They don’t really fear what climate change will do to mankind.


56 posted on 04/06/2015 7:42:29 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s easy - just set your model for the year 1900, enter the data for each year until now, then show that the “predictions” for the year 2015 match what we have now. THEN I will believe you. But until then . . . . NEVER!


57 posted on 04/06/2015 7:42:42 AM PDT by impactplayer
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment
So much focus is on whether or not man-made climate change exists; when it really should be be, does man-made climate-change matter?

Adapting to environmental conditions has been going on for billions and billions of year by all species. The godless progressives are so gleeful in touting the evolutionary process, yet don’t have must trust in it when it comes to mankind.

In reality, the man-made climate change issue is used by the progressives as a cover for another power grab. They don’t really fear what climate change will do to mankind.

Excellent response.

58 posted on 04/06/2015 7:44:01 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: CMAC51
The brilliant and sinister campaign on behalf of Anthropogenic Global Warming has been astoundingly successful in the face of contrary scientific evidence. In fact, it is now established international governmental policy.

The Maunder Minimum, The Milankovitch Glaciation Cycle, even Volcanic Activity, mean absolutely nothing to the lucrative Warming Industry. The verifiable data mean even less to politicians, the MSM, and the public. Why should data matter? It doesn't at the UN.

Santa Claus must exist. Someone beyond the knowing of Reason has to be dropping the cash bundles on the Warmists.

59 posted on 04/06/2015 7:48:45 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Still complaining about Obama? You ain't a thinker. Just a sore loser.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Even if "climate change" is man-made and real, how is paying indulgences to the High Priests of Global Warming going to undo it?
60 posted on 04/06/2015 7:49:03 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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