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There Is No ‘Proper English’: Ignore grammar scolds. If people say it, it’s the right way to speak
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/17/2015 | OLIVER KAMM

Posted on 03/17/2015 7:37:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s what’s happening, but it’s more obvious in academic, business and political administration.

The Marching Morons
By C. M. Kornbluth
http://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-marchingmorons/kornbluthcm-marchingmorons-00-e.html


81 posted on 03/17/2015 9:18:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It should since “irregardless” isn’t proper English nor is it a word.


82 posted on 03/17/2015 9:18:19 PM PDT by Twink
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To: SeekAndFind

Ain’t is always proper.


83 posted on 03/17/2015 9:19:38 PM PDT by Twink
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To: SeekAndFind

Test journalists for drugs.


84 posted on 03/17/2015 9:21:26 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
All you're doing is defining deviancy down. Educated people are more effective at communicating with people who matter, and every ignoramus has an excuse for his lack of discipline.

Hand me a resume with a grammatical or spelling error and you'll be looking for a job with somebody else. I'm not interested in the rationalizations of stupid people who refuse to improve themselves, and I'm not impressed with educated people who excuse them; in fact they're worse because they have the training and capacity to know better.

The rest of your thesis is laughably preposterous. English became the lingua franca of the modern world because of the economic and cultural dominance of the Anglosphere in general and the ascendancy of the United States of America in particular, not because the French have a language committee.

Attempts to equate the ineffectiveness of the GOP-e with the general collapse of academic standards is a non sequitur so thoroughly divorced from reality that it requires no further examination.

85 posted on 03/17/2015 9:34:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Hail Hydra!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Nope. It makes me glad that I'm not a language rigidist that thinks there is only ONE dialect of English, and can be flexible enough to communicate at the level of the intended audience.

I would agree that you are quite flexible.

86 posted on 03/17/2015 9:38:47 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: dr_lew

So you spell like he did because “if Chaucer ain’t English, I don’t know what”?


87 posted on 03/17/2015 9:40:09 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: FredZarguna
Deviency with what? A single model of the English language? Who decides? You can't teach unless you communicate. Communicate first. Teach proper american english next.

Nothing is being defined down.

Rigid thinking about the language (which is many languages, always changing) isn't working for conservatives.

Again... which version of English are you pushing for?

Same thing as the GOP-E. They don't want to realize they can't automatically blame someone else because what they are doing doesn't work.

They are rigid in their thinking, and don't bother to teach.

/johnny

88 posted on 03/17/2015 9:40:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: FredZarguna
“Irregardless” is also in the dictionary.

It's in the Urban Dictionary, and the accepted definition puts it in the same boat as "Can't get no satisfaction":

Used by people who ignorantly mean to say regardless. According to webster, it is a word, but since the prefix "ir" and the suffx "less" both mean "not or with" they cancel each other out, so what you end up with is regard. When you use this to try to say you don't care about something, you end up saying that you do. Of course everyone knows what you mean to say and only a pompous,rude asshole will correct you.

89 posted on 03/17/2015 9:52:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ClearCase_guy

Excellent post. “Irregardless’. Good one.


90 posted on 03/17/2015 9:52:52 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: cynwoody
Ignorance can be corrected. Rigid jerks will always be with us, and can't be fixed.

/johnny

91 posted on 03/17/2015 9:56:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Nonresponsive. You were saying that the double negative absolutely and undeniably implies a postive, unless I missed your meaning, which I don’t know how I could have, since it was clear as day. But this just isn’t so, is all I mean to convey.


92 posted on 03/17/2015 9:57:06 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Gay State Conservative

True dat my man. Blood be talkin’ ‘bout talkin’ proper ass ‘n’ all, I say f** dat s***, no what I’ talkin’ ‘bout?


93 posted on 03/17/2015 9:57:06 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Irregardless...”

Regardless, unless you are into the double negative /:)


94 posted on 03/17/2015 10:12:09 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Ignorance can be corrected. Rigid jerks will always be with us, and can't be fixed.

From the UD's definition #6 of "irregardless":

Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

Check out http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/19197/what-words-sound-like-opposites-but-are-synonyms.

95 posted on 03/17/2015 10:26:25 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
You can't fix that ignorance by insisting the intended audience understand you perfectly.

You have to teach them that it's not preferred. Of course, teaching is hard work, and hand-wringing and whining isn't.

This argument about a single mythical english language has been going on for hundreds of years, and will for many more. We've had a few centuries of relative stability with some dialects of english after the invention of the printing press.

The invention of e-mail and texting will change the picture again.

Some people don't want to recognize that or bother to change.

/johnny

96 posted on 03/17/2015 10:34:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“That’s what the GOP-E is trying to do, and it ain’t working.”

I understood this message of yours the first 22 times you posted it.


97 posted on 03/17/2015 10:49:39 PM PDT by Gigantor (The Fundamentally Transformed States of America)
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To: ClearCase_guy

UUUHHHHH, no comment.


98 posted on 03/17/2015 10:56:12 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: jmacusa
I believe you used improper grammar; that should have been-- "no what I do be talkin bout mofo".
99 posted on 03/17/2015 11:19:32 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I could care less, but I’d have to be dead.


100 posted on 03/17/2015 11:59:18 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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