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There Is No ‘Proper English’: Ignore grammar scolds. If people say it, it’s the right way to speak
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/17/2015 | OLIVER KAMM

Posted on 03/17/2015 7:37:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s a perpetual lament: The purity of the English language is under assault. These days we are told that our ever-texting teenagers can’t express themselves in grammatical sentences. The media delight in publicizing ostensibly incorrect usage. A few weeks ago, pundits and columnists lauded a Wikipedia editor in San Jose, Calif., who had rooted out and changed no fewer than 47,000 instances where contributors to the online encyclopedia had written “comprised of” rather than “composed of.” Does anyone doubt that our mother tongue is in deep decline?

Well, for one, I do. It is well past time to consign grammar pedantry to the history books.

As children, we all have the instinct to acquire a set of rules and to apply them. Any toddler is already a grammatical genius. Without conscious effort, we combine words into sentences according to a particular structure, with subjects, objects, verbs, adjectives and so on. We know that a certain practice is a rule of grammar because it’s how we see and hear people use the language.

That’s how scholarly linguists work. Instead of having some rule book of what is “correct” usage, they examine the evidence of how native and fluent nonnative speakers do in fact use the language. Whatever is in general use in a language (not any use, but general use) is for that reason grammatically correct.

The grammatical rules invoked by pedants aren’t real rules of grammar at all. They are, at best, just stylistic conventions: An example would be the use of a double negative (I can’t get no satisfaction). It makes complete grammatical sense, as an intensifier. It’s just a convention that we don’t use double negatives of that form in Standard English.

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KEYWORDS: english; grammar; idiot
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To: JRandomFreeper

Logic should be mathematical.


21 posted on 03/17/2015 7:47:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Common Core’s take on legitimizing ignorance and unsuccessful teaching.


22 posted on 03/17/2015 7:47:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
True.

But the rule applies to language and to math. Maybe the only one where it does.

23 posted on 03/17/2015 7:47:40 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now just imagine those who end up as linguistic descriptivist would respond to a sentence like:

There Is No ‘Proper Temperature’: Ignore global warming scolds. If it is the current temperature, it’s the right one.

Linguistic descriptivism is fine for academic scholars studying languages in their ivory towers. But the vast majority of those dealing with grammar are teachers who must either be prescriptivists or they are wasting everyone's time. It's like the difference between an oncologist who studies the progress of cancer and one who prescribes chemotherapy to slow or stop it. I certainly wouldn't want to have the first as my doctor as he watches how the disease progresses in me without offering a cure.

24 posted on 03/17/2015 7:48:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: teacherwoes
You are, sadly, correct.
25 posted on 03/17/2015 7:48:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wasn’t slamming your post, it was an example...


26 posted on 03/17/2015 7:49:15 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is in the dictionary. :)
27 posted on 03/17/2015 7:49:45 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Paladin2
Only in your mathematical mind. The great speakers and writers don't always follow that rule. Rarely are math guys also well received speakers/writers.

English is NOT a rational language. Accepting that is the first step to learning to communicate.

/johnny

28 posted on 03/17/2015 7:50:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Snickering Hound
More Engrish...



SOMETHING DOMINIC STRAUSS KAHN WOULD LOVE ...

29 posted on 03/17/2015 7:50:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Word Crimes

A little music to go with the thread.:)

30 posted on 03/17/2015 7:51:42 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

RE: It is in the dictionary. :)

Well, just goes to show that if enough people use bad grammar, it eventually becomes accepted.

I wonder if Queen Elizabeth or any of the Royals use the word “Ain’t” at all...


31 posted on 03/17/2015 7:51:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Being able to speak and write Engish is still required to get a decent job. The only exceptions to this rule are rappers, who are entertaining the lowest common demographic.


32 posted on 03/17/2015 7:52:27 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
No. English is NOT a rational language, the way it has grown.

And who sets the rules? There was no committee that set the rules one day and there it was. English has changed for hundreds of years.

The trick is to change slowly enough that the rigid rationalists don't disturb everyone else too badly.

/johnny

33 posted on 03/17/2015 7:52:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: dainbramaged

RE: I wasn’t slamming your post, it was an example...

OK, I could care more. :)


34 posted on 03/17/2015 7:52:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The grammatical rules invoked by pedants aren’t real rules of grammar at all.

Ermagerd.

35 posted on 03/17/2015 7:54:07 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, why can’t the English learn to speak?


36 posted on 03/17/2015 7:54:29 PM PDT by Ken H (DILLIGAF)
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To: SeekAndFind
There Is No ‘Proper English’: Ignore grammar scolds.

Damn, if only my Son had known this years ago, the money he could have saved in getting his Masters in English! Now I know that many Hispanics and Blacks believe this, but I never knew the WSJ did. Next they will be telling people that math is irrelevant as we've already been told that writing is.

37 posted on 03/17/2015 7:54:50 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SeekAndFind
We need to have a common language so we can communicate with each other, rather than merely parse government propaganda slogans.
Breakdown of English is yet another way to divide the American people along regional, status and ethnic lines.
Divide and conquer. They're using it against us.

38 posted on 03/17/2015 7:55:02 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is nothing but political correctness because blacks from da hood speak such poor English.

And illegal aliens no habla Ingles ...

39 posted on 03/17/2015 7:55:15 PM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: ctdonath2
Amen! You have the right of it.

Either that, or the listener hasn't been exposed to the common language.

/johnny

40 posted on 03/17/2015 7:56:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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