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Are we alone? Do we want to know?
WaPo ^ | 28 Feb 2015 | Joel Achenbach

Posted on 02/28/2015 4:34:21 PM PST by NRx

...So began SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a form of astronomical inquiry that has captured the imaginations of people around the planet but has so far failed to detect a single “hello.” Pick your explanation: They’re not there; they’re too far away; they’re insular and aloof; they’re zoned out on computer games; they’re watching us in mild bemusement and wondering when we’ll grow up.

Now some SETI researchers are pushing a more aggressive agenda: Instead of just listening, we would transmit messages, targeting newly discovered planets orbiting distant stars. Through “active SETI,” we’d boldly announce our presence and try to get the conversation started.

Naturally this is controversial, because of . . . well, the Klingons. The bad aliens.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: seti
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To: LibWhacker

I’m told that at about one light year distance, our TV/radio signals break down into just noise. That’s not even half way to the next nearest star.


41 posted on 02/28/2015 6:09:54 PM PST by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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To: NRx
Several points.

Our radio and TV transmitters are designed to broadcast signals slightly above the horizontal. Their antenna pattern looks like a donut with the antenna in the center. That donut rotates with the Earth. Anything off Earth will be in the pattern of a given station for only about an hour out of every 12 hours. The rest of the time they're out of the pattern. They're not going to get everything broadcast by that station.

The so-called "Drake Equation" is not an equation at all. It's dimensionally incorrect.

We have no idea what any of the factors in the so-called equation are. The thing is junk science. Nothing but guesses.

42 posted on 02/28/2015 6:10:06 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: NRx

At any time they wish, the conquest of Earth would be a simple task. They would have weapons and capabilities we cannot even imagine. They could use advance nano technology to control our minds and enslave us, if they wanted an army of obedient Earthling workers to strip our small planet of resources.

Hmmm, maybe the visitors are responsible for climate change. LOL


43 posted on 02/28/2015 6:11:15 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: NRx

we know the Ferengi (liars on star trek) exist because they left one behind, without his birth certificate, here when their last prison ship flew by


44 posted on 02/28/2015 6:13:54 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..).)
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To: NRx

Well said, friend. I’ve similar reservations about what type of neighbors there are in the universe. For all we know these neighbors know what’s best for us whether we like it or not.


45 posted on 02/28/2015 6:14:12 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: dainbramaged

46 posted on 02/28/2015 6:15:11 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: NRx

“In short, I’d like to know a little more about the neighbors before we invite them over for dinner. If for no other reason than to be sure that we aren’t likely to end up as the main course.”

There was a Twilight Zone episode called, i believe, “To Serve Mankind.” as the story went, the aliens had come to find food, as in humans.


47 posted on 02/28/2015 6:15:12 PM PST by IWONDR
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To: dainbramaged

I remember that one! “How to Serve Man”. Dude you must be old - like me ;- )


48 posted on 02/28/2015 6:15:23 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: TADSLOS

49 posted on 02/28/2015 6:15:50 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: NRx
It's the Martians I'm worried about. Those big-eyed things with heads that have that big-brain look going on. Can't reason with them s.o.bs. They just shoot first with them ray guns ‘n’ all. And if they ain't bad enough, they do some weird science thingy with bugs and turn a cockroach from a filthy little thing living under the fridge into something as big as a Grey Hound bus! Whoa! What's up with that!?!
50 posted on 02/28/2015 6:32:28 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: NRx
At the very least I think this deserves some discussion at higher levels and some consensus before we start posting interstellar coming out announcements.

Hell. We have been doing that for 120 years already. Every thing form ship-to-shore Morris Code from the Titanic, to Amos & Andy to I Love Lucy, to Obama on C-Span has been moving across the Universe at near the speed of light. Anyone listening within 100 light years would have already heard us.

Unless you want to shut down the electromagnetic spectrum, there is no way we can just hide on planet Earth and pretend we're not here. We make noise, lots of it... that's just a fact.

At the same time,we have been listening for over 30 years now, and we haven't heard even one sign of intelligent communication. If 'they' are out there, and are thousands or millions of year more advanced than we are, how come they don't make any noise?

As to some boondoggle project to blast signals at some hypothetical 'inhabitable' planet, I vote hell no. It's a waste of money.

51 posted on 02/28/2015 6:50:20 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

That argument is addressed in the article.


52 posted on 02/28/2015 7:00:01 PM PST by NRx
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To: NRx
we're here for the party, and we ain't leavin till they throw us out...

53 posted on 02/28/2015 7:28:36 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: jmacusa
***Can't reason with them s.o.bs. They just shoot first with them ray guns ‘n’ all.***

We'll counter them with our SKYNET cyborgs!


54 posted on 02/28/2015 7:38:10 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That just might work! At least it’s a shot. The bugs though... I’m still worried about the big bugs.. Jeez.. what’d we gonna do about them suckers? Big cans of Raid?


55 posted on 02/28/2015 7:56:03 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

Bugs? A judicious application of DDT.


56 posted on 02/28/2015 7:59:11 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: MeshugeMikey

If they received our chatter from 1939-1945 the relativistic impactors are already on the way...


57 posted on 02/28/2015 8:24:35 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: JRandomFreeper; All

http://www.amazon.com/Bowl-Heaven-Gregory-Benford/dp/0765366460

Bowl Of Heaven does a nice job of depicting advanced life in a universe constrained by known physical laws. It and it’s sequel were a couple of my best recent Sci-Fi reads...


58 posted on 02/28/2015 8:43:57 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: doug from upland

Ever hear of that theory from, I think it was Sitchin, who figured we could be genetically engineered, and part of that engineering was our inordinate love of gold. We’d accumulate it over thousands of years, and they come back, spray for humans, and collect the neatly stacked metals from our vaults...


59 posted on 02/28/2015 8:50:10 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Their infiltrators already have disabled that weapon from our arsenal...


60 posted on 02/28/2015 8:53:05 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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