Posted on 01/17/2015 7:24:31 AM PST by the scotsman
What part of "It [if] is not true then it should not be here regardless" is unclear? Spurious arguments or testimony are unnecessary and counterproductive, as many attempts example. There is enough fault with Rome or Luther (as an example - i am astounded by the RC preoccupation with denigrating one most Prots hardly are much interested in) so that fabrications are not needed.
But i do appreciate the attempt to be civil, and which you try to be.
But your objection is based upon the premise that this is all trash, charges that have no merit, which remains to be proved. I have often directed RCs to site which serves as a kind of fact check for sayings attributed to Luther (due to RC preoccupation and parroted posts) but maybe there is one for church sex scandals (which i am sure Caths have charged Luther with).
... tell me who they are, and I'll go after them hammer and tongs. You know I will.
A little late, and i am not going to list the quotes and links which others know of, but i will keep you in mind.
Another good, well acted touching Christian movie
Yeah. And as we know, Jesus always did what was expected.
Was this a misplaced comment from a different thread?
Good night, God bless you, daniel1212. :o)
You could say the same of food.
No, it is another...movie i though you'd like
Which cabal is it that repeatedly touts that is is the one true chuch based on a faulty interpretation from 2,000 years ago?
Seems like 150 years ago is a drop in the bucket.
That puts Luther out of the running then, doesn’t it?
He goes back more than 150 years....
Do we want to be the Conservative National Perspirer?
Does FR need this?
Bingo, we have a winner !
My answer is exceedingly profane, so I'll trim it down to a simple "NO !"
Posting nasty stuff about another's religion, especially 150 year old nasty stuff, is both uncool and unnecessary.
Gee, if I go back 150 years, could I possibly find some seedy and disgusting crimes committed by a Scot ? Hmmmm.
It was not an "abbey" per se, as in having been a nunnery which decided to take in orphans. That is not how the place got it's start.
The Bon Secour nuns had a previous orphanage, began as such --- but that other facility was woefully inadequate, so along with soem help from the government, they moved their efforts to the old work house at Tuam.
There was some misreporting-- but it is no hoax that there was something of a mass grave there, and it being in an below-ground cistern that was likely at some time in the past used as a septic tank (old maps indicate 'sewage tank')--- previous to the Bon Secour nuns use of the property as an orphanage.
That said, there is more to the story, for there were many similar orphanages in Ireland.
Among the greater number of those, was varied types of abuse and inhumanity (and government involvement), with reflections on those things of the past having recently surfaced in Ireland, being grappled with those of the RCC, and those not.
There was more than one location at the Taum site where bodies were found ---- excluding the adult remains that were unearthed on the North-Northwest side of the property which dated back to the 19th century 'work house' (read-- poor house) days.
I could dig up links to show you these things, and more, but will not tolerate abuse of my own person during the process.
There was some information which never made it to these pages.
I kept offering to supply it --- at the mere cost of myself not being personally criticized, or spoken to rudely, or being accused in any way...
I had no takers, and in this, the information could be somewhat exculpatory for the nuns at Taum. Yet part of the price for the info would be to accept that yes, quite possibly --- a large septic tank dating back to the mid-19th century was likely also used as place of burial for many infants and young children who died there.
I don't know how long t would take to again find the information. It was a bit obscure...but there was a reporter local to Ireland (and not too far from the location?) who on his own radio show interviewed one of the persons who as a young boy (12 or 13 years old at the time) had discovered the mass grave in the early 1970's. He had more than a few web pages which had old maps and what-not, to go along with his reporting.
A recording of the interview with that one witness is available there, though I cannot at this time recall the reporter's name. But it is that guy who had some interesting pieces to the puzzle, with those pieces coming about through interviewing many persons who had various forms of contact with the facility.
Since that time locals first discovered the tank full of bones, there have been those among the nearby local population, most of them Roman Catholics, I take, who have been taking care of the site as a graveyard, and honoring it as such.
Sounds like a GOOD one to delve into after church today!!!
Joe kept telling Mary that; but look at the SUFFERING she put THAT poor man through!!
Has everyone forgotten the lists "bad popes" that get posted in almost EVERY FR thread about Catholicism? ?
The ones that are found to be brushed aside so easily?
Tabloid coverage of a salacious scandal from 150+ years ago, breathlessly told as troll-bait for calumny against the Catholic Church. Do we want to be the Conservative National Perspirer? Does FR need this?
Hell NO!!!
Let's dredge up something about Luther being an anti-Semite; instead!
Sol said, "There's nothing new underthesun."
The biblical pattern is that celibacy, dedicated singlehood, can be chosen for the sake of ministering. There are pros and cons to being single in such a situation and sometimes the pros win. Sometimes singlehood is forced by circumstance upon a minister (as in the tragic loss of a wife) and I have seen that happen in an evangelical church and the minister’s ministry greatly improve. But nobody would be wishing to kill ministers’ wives for the sake of the gospel.
To push that to an assertion that all ministers must be celibate goes beyond the biblical advice.
And yet, at least in modern days, ministerial marriage is no panacea against sin. Sheer sad statistics of ministerial misconduct bear that out. It is only one facet of which must be an organized fortification against sin and for righteousness.
Did she have twelve stars around the head?
Well...
Let's be safe and just jump on PROTESTants!
Having MULTIPLE wifes tends to prevent it; too!
What is WRONG with Mormonism??
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