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Lesbian sex, seduction and murder... by NUNS in a Catholic convent
Daily Mail ^ | 17th January 2014 | Jenny Stanton

Posted on 01/17/2015 7:24:31 AM PST by the scotsman

'A sordid tale of lesbian sex, murder and seduction in a Catholic convent in 19th-century Rome has been discovered in a secret Vatican archive.

The Sant'Ambrogio scandal involves a beautiful young sister who convinced the nuns she was experiencing visions and visits from heaven - then made them engage in rampant sexual activity.

Herbert Wolf, a leading scholar of the Catholic Church, learned of the Sant'Ambrogio scandal when he became one of the first allowed into the archives of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The naughty nun also entered into an erotic relationship with a theologian on the pretense he was possessed, and is thought to have murdered three other sisters.

But when a German princess fled the convent in disgust, a sex scandal hidden behind a habit for many years was unveiled.

Wolf, a professor of ecclesiastical his­tory at University of Muenster, Germany, made the discovery and has retold it in his book The Nuns of Sant'Ambrogio.

Written in German, the controversial never-told-before tale has been translated into English for the first time.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Sherman Logan
Personally I doubt He ever was married, but the Bible simply does not address the issue.

Rabbis are expected to be married.
61 posted on 01/17/2015 4:43:27 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So, you think 19th century tabloid trash is the level of stuff you want in FR?

What part of "It [if] is not true then it should not be here regardless" is unclear? Spurious arguments or testimony are unnecessary and counterproductive, as many attempts example. There is enough fault with Rome or Luther (as an example - i am astounded by the RC preoccupation with denigrating one most Prots hardly are much interested in) so that fabrications are not needed.

But i do appreciate the attempt to be civil, and which you try to be.

But your objection is based upon the premise that this is all trash, charges that have no merit, which remains to be proved. I have often directed RCs to site which serves as a kind of fact check for sayings attributed to Luther (due to RC preoccupation and parroted posts) but maybe there is one for church sex scandals (which i am sure Caths have charged Luther with).

... tell me who they are, and I'll go after them hammer and tongs. You know I will.

A little late, and i am not going to list the quotes and links which others know of, but i will keep you in mind.

Another good, well acted touching Christian movie

62 posted on 01/17/2015 5:03:50 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Nepeta; Sherman Logan

Yeah. And as we know, Jesus always did what was expected.


63 posted on 01/17/2015 6:00:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stet.)
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To: daniel1212
"Another good, well acted touching Christian movie "

Was this a misplaced comment from a different thread?

Good night, God bless you, daniel1212. :o)

64 posted on 01/17/2015 6:02:29 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up, I'm gonna settle down, chew honeycomb & drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: TalBlack

You could say the same of food.


65 posted on 01/17/2015 6:39:13 PM PST by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Was this a misplaced comment from a different thread?

No, it is another...movie i though you'd like

66 posted on 01/17/2015 7:53:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Alex Murphy; metmom; daniel1212
150 years is too far back to discuss?

Which cabal is it that repeatedly touts that is is the one true chuch based on a faulty interpretation from 2,000 years ago?

Seems like 150 years ago is a drop in the bucket.

67 posted on 01/17/2015 8:34:22 PM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Gamecock

That puts Luther out of the running then, doesn’t it?

He goes back more than 150 years....


68 posted on 01/17/2015 8:37:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; the scotsman
Tabloid coverage of a salacious scandal from 150+ years ago, breathlessly told as troll-bait for calumny against the Catholic Church.

Do we want to be the Conservative National Perspirer?

Does FR need this?

Bingo, we have a winner !

My answer is exceedingly profane, so I'll trim it down to a simple "NO !"

Posting nasty stuff about another's religion, especially 150 year old nasty stuff, is both uncool and unnecessary.

Gee, if I go back 150 years, could I possibly find some seedy and disgusting crimes committed by a Scot ? Hmmmm.

69 posted on 01/17/2015 8:54:30 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt
Let me be very clear: I don't like attacks on anybody's religion.
70 posted on 01/17/2015 9:02:26 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: 9thLife

It was not an "abbey" per se, as in having been a nunnery which decided to take in orphans. That is not how the place got it's start.

The Bon Secour nuns had a previous orphanage, began as such --- but that other facility was woefully inadequate, so along with soem help from the government, they moved their efforts to the old work house at Tuam.

There was some misreporting-- but it is no hoax that there was something of a mass grave there, and it being in an below-ground cistern that was likely at some time in the past used as a septic tank (old maps indicate 'sewage tank')--- previous to the Bon Secour nuns use of the property as an orphanage.

That said, there is more to the story, for there were many similar orphanages in Ireland.

Among the greater number of those, was varied types of abuse and inhumanity (and government involvement), with reflections on those things of the past having recently surfaced in Ireland, being grappled with those of the RCC, and those not.

There was more than one location at the Taum site where bodies were found ---- excluding the adult remains that were unearthed on the North-Northwest side of the property which dated back to the 19th century 'work house' (read-- poor house) days.

I could dig up links to show you these things, and more, but will not tolerate abuse of my own person during the process.

There was some information which never made it to these pages.

I kept offering to supply it --- at the mere cost of myself not being personally criticized, or spoken to rudely, or being accused in any way...

I had no takers, and in this, the information could be somewhat exculpatory for the nuns at Taum. Yet part of the price for the info would be to accept that yes, quite possibly --- a large septic tank dating back to the mid-19th century was likely also used as place of burial for many infants and young children who died there.

I don't know how long t would take to again find the information. It was a bit obscure...but there was a reporter local to Ireland (and not too far from the location?) who on his own radio show interviewed one of the persons who as a young boy (12 or 13 years old at the time) had discovered the mass grave in the early 1970's. He had more than a few web pages which had old maps and what-not, to go along with his reporting.

A recording of the interview with that one witness is available there, though I cannot at this time recall the reporter's name. But it is that guy who had some interesting pieces to the puzzle, with those pieces coming about through interviewing many persons who had various forms of contact with the facility.

Since that time locals first discovered the tank full of bones, there have been those among the nearby local population, most of them Roman Catholics, I take, who have been taking care of the site as a graveyard, and honoring it as such.

71 posted on 01/18/2015 2:46:53 AM PST by BlueDragon ( “Is it Islamophobic to oppose these beheadings?”)
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To: the scotsman

OOOoooh!

Sounds like a GOOD one to delve into after church today!!!

72 posted on 01/18/2015 4:17:28 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Popman
Sex is normal in a coveted relationship...

Joe kept telling Mary that; but look at the SUFFERING she put THAT poor man through!!

73 posted on 01/18/2015 4:18:31 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 9thLife
Has everyone forgotten the "mass grave" at the abbey that the Brits touted last year? The one that was found to be a hoax?

Has everyone forgotten the lists "bad popes" that get posted in almost EVERY FR thread about Catholicism? ?

The ones that are found to be brushed aside so easily?

74 posted on 01/18/2015 4:20:15 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Tabloid coverage of a salacious scandal from 150+ years ago, breathlessly told as troll-bait for calumny against the Catholic Church.

Do we want to be the Conservative National Perspirer?

Does FR need this?


Hell NO!!!

Let's dredge up something about Luther being an anti-Semite; instead!

75 posted on 01/18/2015 4:22:13 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: M.K. Borders
However, this story primarily deals homosexual sex which is NOT normal.

Sol said, "There's nothing new underthesun."

76 posted on 01/18/2015 4:23:15 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Popman

The biblical pattern is that celibacy, dedicated singlehood, can be chosen for the sake of ministering. There are pros and cons to being single in such a situation and sometimes the pros win. Sometimes singlehood is forced by circumstance upon a minister (as in the tragic loss of a wife) and I have seen that happen in an evangelical church and the minister’s ministry greatly improve. But nobody would be wishing to kill ministers’ wives for the sake of the gospel.

To push that to an assertion that all ministers must be celibate goes beyond the biblical advice.

And yet, at least in modern days, ministerial marriage is no panacea against sin. Sheer sad statistics of ministerial misconduct bear that out. It is only one facet of which must be an organized fortification against sin and for righteousness.


77 posted on 01/18/2015 4:24:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: M.K. Borders
Apparently there was a woman among them who claimed the title of prophet and maybe even had a position of some authority (an assumption on my part) who was essentially teaching a new meaning to the commandment of “love your neighbor”.

Did she have twelve stars around the head?

78 posted on 01/18/2015 4:24:30 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Would we do this to the Jews?

Well...

Let's be safe and just jump on PROTESTants!

79 posted on 01/18/2015 4:25:39 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Born to Conserve
It prevents dynastic priest families. It is the reason Catholicism and Aristocracy were able to coexist.

Having MULTIPLE wifes tends to prevent it; too!

What is WRONG with Mormonism??

80 posted on 01/18/2015 4:26:45 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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