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Was Jesus born in a different Bethlehem?
Times of Israel ^ | December 24, 2014 | Jessica Steinberg

Posted on 12/23/2014 7:51:22 PM PST by Squawk 8888

The New Testament says Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, but one rogue Israeli archaeologist says it is far more likely the Christian savior was born in Bethlehem of the Galilee, more than 60 miles from Jerusalem.

Aviram Oshri spent nearly eleven years excavating artifacts in Bethlehem of the Galilee — an ancient biblical village near Nazareth that was later settled by German Templers — which he believes show that the traditional account of Jesus’s birthplace may be wrong.

But when he produced his findings for his employer, the Israel Antiquities Authority, he found his proposal dismissed and called “worse than a joke.”

Oshri disagrees.

The town of Bethlehem of Judea, about six miles south of Jerusalem, has always been considered the birthplace of Jesus. According to the New Testament, Joseph and Mary were living in Bethlehem of Judea at the time of Jesus’ birth and later moved to Nazareth up north. In another account, Joseph and Mary, who was then nine months pregnant, traveled more than 175 kilometers (68 miles) from Nazareth to Bethlehem of Judea, Joseph’s hometown, in order to be counted in a Roman census.

That never made sense to Oshri.

“How would a woman who is nine months pregnant travel 175 kilometers on a donkey all the way to Bethlehem of Judea?” he asked. “It makes much more sense that she would have traveled seven kilometers,” the distance from Nazareth to Bethlehem of the Galilee.

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TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: aviramoshri; bethlehem; galilee; godsgravesglyphs; jesusbirth; judea; letshavejerusalem; nativity; nazarene; nazareth; nazorean; thenativity
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1 posted on 12/23/2014 7:51:22 PM PST by Squawk 8888
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To: SunkenCiv

Over to you, professor :)


2 posted on 12/23/2014 7:51:48 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Will steal your comments & post them on Twitter)
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To: Squawk 8888

Pennsylvania?


3 posted on 12/23/2014 7:51:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Squawk 8888

Oh boy; here we go again.

The Bible plainly says that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem in Judah, where David was born. This is just another misguided attempt to discredit Jesus.


4 posted on 12/23/2014 7:54:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Squawk 8888

They’re both wrong; our daughter in law texted us tonight from Mobile to say our 5 year old grandson said Jesus was born in Birmingham.


5 posted on 12/23/2014 8:02:24 PM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning)
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To: I-ambush

LOL — That’s funny, thanks for sharing it.


6 posted on 12/23/2014 8:07:43 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: I-ambush

I hear he just left Chicago.


7 posted on 12/23/2014 8:10:20 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: I-ambush; dfwgator
our daughter in law texted us tonight from Mobile to say our 5 year old grandson said Jesus was born in Birmingham.

England?

8 posted on 12/23/2014 8:10:26 PM PST by Mark17 (So gracious and tender was He. I claimed Him that day as my savior, this stranger of Galilee)
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To: Mark17
year old grandson said Jesus was born in Birmingham. England?

You mean Jesus and Black Sabbath came from the same place?

9 posted on 12/23/2014 8:11:03 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Squawk 8888
“How would a woman who is nine months pregnant travel 175 kilometers on a donkey all the way to Bethlehem of Judea?”

First, where did you get the idea that she was traveling nine months pregnant?

The Bible does not say how far along she was only that she came to term while they were there.

The night they arrived or three months later. It does not say.

Next where did you get the idea that she went on a donkey? Once again, the Bible does not say.

When people try to disprove something and do not bother to read the original source documents which are freely available you should not toss their work aside lightly.

You should throw it, with great force. Preferable at their head.

10 posted on 12/23/2014 8:13:42 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: dfwgator

I would not be surprised if some LIV thought Jesus was born in Bethlehem, PA. Yea, he or she would say that Joseph worked in the steel mill and Mary worked at a diner off the Pennsylvania Turnpike.


11 posted on 12/23/2014 8:17:37 PM PST by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush - stay outta da Bushes)
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To: Squawk 8888

Without looking at text, I think Matthew says that everyone had to return to their place of origin - rather than their place of livelihood - to be taxed. That seems to me at least to present a huge logistical problem, and frankly, does not seem plausible at all.


12 posted on 12/23/2014 8:21:54 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Perdogg
Yea, he or she would say that Joseph worked in the steel mill and Mary worked at a diner off the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

Sounds like the inspiration for Bon Jovi's 'Livin' On a Prayer.'....."Mary works the Diner all day...."

13 posted on 12/23/2014 8:24:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Squawk 8888

Wait-I`ll ask the Magi which one they went to.


14 posted on 12/23/2014 8:27:56 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (`("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))
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To: Squawk 8888

It was spelled out in scripture, as it was not a secret which Bethlehem (there were two) that was required to fulfill the prophecy, even Herod’s ‘wise men’ knew were to look,

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Micah 5:2

There is also a tie in to the Book of Ruth and with Boaz, a love story and its culmination,


15 posted on 12/23/2014 8:35:18 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: Squawk 8888
“It makes much more sense that she would have traveled seven kilometers,” the distance from Nazareth to Bethlehem of the Galilee.

He is not considering the traffic, I have heard that road was a real bear, back in the day, with all the goat stops and such.

16 posted on 12/23/2014 8:39:01 PM PST by Michael.SF. (It takes a gun to feed a village (and an AK 47 to defend it).)
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To: I-ambush

And the disciples were Mexicans.

They were all in one Accord...


17 posted on 12/23/2014 8:45:40 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: onedoug
Without looking at text, I think Matthew says that everyone had to return to their place of origin...

No. They went to the place of their family name. Joseph was from the line of David so he took his family to the city of David, Bethlehem of Judea.

18 posted on 12/23/2014 8:45:52 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Squawk 8888

would have been nice if we has a pix of both sites.


19 posted on 12/23/2014 8:47:17 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: captmar-vell

Are you a traveler?


20 posted on 12/23/2014 8:48:07 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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