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Tesla Drivers Don't Be Too Smug: Electric Cars Are Not So Green, Says Study
Reason ^ | 12/18/2014 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 12/18/2014 1:03:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Tesla plugged in
In a new study in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences University of Minnesota researchers report in various scenarios that vehicles using alternative fuels are often more harmful to human health than are conventional gasoline-powered automobiles. From the abstract:

We find that powering vehicles with corn ethanol or with coal-based or “grid average” electricity increases monetized environmental health impacts by 80% or more relative to using conventional gasoline.

Air Pollution Vehicle DeathsPNAS

The AP reported:

"It's kind of hard to beat gasoline" for public and environmental health, said study co-author Julian Marshall, an engineering professor at the University of Minnesota. "A lot of the technologies that we think of as being clean ... are not better than gasoline."

Not surprsingly, the study does find that vehicles powered by electricity derived from wind and solar power have the least health effects. Keep in mind, however, that solar provided 0.23 percent and wind 4.13 percent of U.S. electricity in 2013.


TOPICS: Science; Society; Weather
KEYWORDS: 1morethread; electriccars; greenenergy; tesla
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1 posted on 12/18/2014 1:03:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


2 posted on 12/18/2014 1:05:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d love to short Tesla stock, but I’m smart enough never to bet against a regime affiliated company.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/12/teslas-tanking-u-s-sales-world-automakers-falsifying-sales-numbers/


3 posted on 12/18/2014 1:06:46 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: SeekAndFind

I love the Tesla because it is a very well thought out electric car.

However, all of us who have made it through at least undergrad Physics/Engineering curricula know this.

To an MSM bottom O’the SAT barrel slug, well, it’s news.

So, purchase a Tesla if you want to have fun with a very neat machine, but don’t fool yourself into thinking you’re saving the earth. (P.S., true also for Prius types. At least the Tesla folks get a cool carl)


4 posted on 12/18/2014 1:07:06 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not about being green.

It’s about being smug about being green!


5 posted on 12/18/2014 1:07:36 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like what the graph shows but horseshite science is horseshite science, whether it affirms or denies your beliefs


6 posted on 12/18/2014 1:07:39 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems to me this is really just another attack on coal generated electrical power.


7 posted on 12/18/2014 1:07:58 PM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Da Coyote

Oops, that’s obviously “cool car”, not “cool carl”.

An Obamadork moment.


8 posted on 12/18/2014 1:08:06 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: nascarnation
I’d love to short Tesla stock, but I’m smart enough never to bet against a regime affiliated company.

Until the regime changes.

9 posted on 12/18/2014 1:08:58 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Codeflier

Furthermore, what is this Mortalities BS? What a crock!


10 posted on 12/18/2014 1:10:26 PM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Age of Smog replaced by The Age of Smug

Audacity so thick, ya can cut it with a feather.


11 posted on 12/18/2014 1:12:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Liz Warren doesn’t like Tesla?

/s


12 posted on 12/18/2014 1:13:37 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: Da Coyote
Ever driven one? I have and it is freaking AWESOME! If I could afford one, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Not to save the planet, but just because it's an alternative to gasoline. When the gas goes bonkers or the gubmint taxes it into the stratosphere, the Tesla is gonna keep cruising. Heck, those charging stations now located across the nation are free. Even if those suddenly become taxed or whatever, somebody will figure out how to get a fast charge with solar, I'm sure, at some point.
13 posted on 12/18/2014 1:14:36 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: MrB
Seriously, THAT'S what this is all about. I will never forget the CEO of Toyota publicly saying in some financial meeting that in reality it did not make sense for a consumer to buy a Prius, but that there was demand so they were going to fill that demand.
14 posted on 12/18/2014 1:24:37 PM PST by Obadiah (If the RINOs engineer the 2016 Primary for their guy, I will sit out the General for my guy.)
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To: Da Coyote

I ride a motorcycle—100 MPG, and a full tank costs me $1.05! (With gas at $1.999)


15 posted on 12/18/2014 1:24:48 PM PST by __rvx86 (This Tagline is gluten-free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Studies like this assume “health effects” start at the tailpipe. They don’t.

It takes 6-9 kWh of grid electricity to refine one gallon of gasoline.It takes diesel(7-10 kWh per gallon) to transport gasoline to gas station. Then it takes grid electricity to pump gas from station tanks into gasoline car.Then 75%-80% of energy in gasoline is wasted as heat. A Tesla is 90% efficient.If we simply stopped refining oil into gasoline we would have enough electricity to fuel an American fleet of electric cars.

Virtually all of our electricity is American sourced with a bit imported from Canada. Gasoline cars prop up global demand for oil which props up global price for oil which in turn bank rolls Czar Vladimir,Caliph Ibrahim,Ayatollah Khamenei, King Abdullah, and Presidente-por-Vida Maduro.


16 posted on 12/18/2014 1:25:28 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: SeekAndFind
vehicles powered by electricity derived from wind and solar power have the least health effects.

Apparently they didn't include electricity from hydro or nuclear.

17 posted on 12/18/2014 1:25:39 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Obadiah
As usual, South Park nailed it:


18 posted on 12/18/2014 1:26:47 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: thackney

Ping.


19 posted on 12/18/2014 1:28:40 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the AP here. The graph clearly shows the story is a hit on coal electricity generation and nothing else. They of course would be perfectly happy with heavily $ub$idized windmills and solar panels.


20 posted on 12/18/2014 1:28:42 PM PST by Organic Panic
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