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vanity | 12/05/14 | self

Posted on 12/04/2014 10:28:07 AM PST by central_va

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To: central_va

He should have listened to Ross Perot.


161 posted on 12/04/2014 8:33:55 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: OldNavyVet

So was George Washington and James Madison, both protectionists, communist in your stupid brainwashed opinion? LOL. You ignorant fool.


162 posted on 12/05/2014 4:20:40 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: joe fonebone
Would you trade a system of sales taxes and tariffs for the elimination of all income taxes?

PS: Unions suck, but they have been defeated. Your fighting the last war. Manufacturing is done by non union workers over 90% of the time.

163 posted on 12/05/2014 4:22:31 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Would you trade a system of sales taxes and tariffs for the elimination of all income taxes?

No. As a small business owner, tariffs hurt me more than sales and income taxes combined. Because the products we need are no longer made in the USA (thanks to decades of overregulation) and we have no choice but to have them made offshore.

Sales taxes are paid by the customer. Income taxes...well, right now, on what income? The nominal rate is way too high, but income tax is usually avoidable for a long time by reinvesting in and growing the business.

164 posted on 12/05/2014 4:33:48 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (Heteropatriarchal Capitalist)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
As a small business owner, tariffs hurt me more than sales and income taxes combined.

You are a socialist, comrade.

165 posted on 12/05/2014 4:35:52 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Labyrinthos

Four marriages? I call that the triumph of hope over experience.


166 posted on 12/05/2014 4:40:57 AM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: central_va
So there have been no adverse social or economic changes due to out sourcing our manufacturing infrastructure? The simple mindedness of the free traders is astounding....

Oddly enough, I said nothing of the sort.

What I did say way that I object to the use of government force to impose social or economic outcomes. Telling me about your objective doesn't change the fact that I a priori object to the government intervention in the first place.

Simple minded you call that? I find the view that big government is good when it happens to line up with your personal values far more simplistic.

167 posted on 12/05/2014 6:19:58 AM PST by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: central_va
Sales and income taxes hurt corporate employees far more than business owners. But there are fewer and fewer of those "working families" left for government to rob.

Raising tariffs isn't by itself going to produce any magical resurgence in US manufacturing - it's just going to kill off a huge number of import-dependent small- and medium-sized businesses in exchange for the minimal benefit of giving statists a little more money to spend on social welfare schemes - for a year or two.

The correct answer is an 80% reduction in the size of the Federal Government and the sunsetting of 80% of all Federal laws on the books. This should be the opposition party's #1 agenda...if we had an opposition party.

168 posted on 12/05/2014 6:31:31 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (Heteropatriarchal Capitalist)
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To: kevkrom
So would you be in favor of completely replacing the income tax with a system of tariffs and national sales taxes?

Were Washington and Madison socialists?

169 posted on 12/05/2014 6:31:41 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Amazing how many “conservatives” on Free Republic love income taxes. LOL...


170 posted on 12/05/2014 6:33:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
So would you be in favor of completely replacing the income tax with a system of tariffs and national sales taxes?

Yes, but I'd only use tariffs as a political weapon - if country X places a tariff on our goods, we place an equivalent tariff on theirs, as a tactic to get both tariffs eliminated, not as a long-term source of trade protection or revenue.

Eliminating corporate income taxes will do far more to improve American economic activity than tariffs ever could, even if they worked the way you think they'd would. (Historically, however, tariffs as trade protection lead more to stagnation than to development, as that safety net becomes a hammock.)

But again, the key point here is that the best prescription is to lessen government involvement in the long run.

171 posted on 12/05/2014 6:38:28 AM PST by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: kevkrom

Please note the only countries that don’t tariff our exports to them are Singapore and Canada(for the most part).


172 posted on 12/05/2014 6:46:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kevkrom
Historically, however, tariffs as trade protection lead more to stagnation than to development, as that safety net becomes a hammock.)

Washington, Madison and Jefferson would disagree. The safety net would be unnecessary IF WE HAD NOT OFF SHORED MOST OF OUR MANUFACTURING BASE.

173 posted on 12/05/2014 6:47:57 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

OK, I see that you are simply a troll who likes to make, assertions that are not supported by the text of anyone’s posts. Troll away...it’s childish, but it can’t hurt us. :)


174 posted on 12/05/2014 6:49:25 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (Heteropatriarchal Capitalist)
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To: central_va
Washington, Madison and Jefferson would disagree

They also devised a governmental system that would work under moral men. As we no longer have that, we must deviate from some of their thinking.

175 posted on 12/05/2014 6:50:53 AM PST by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Free traders must come to terms that the gloBULL views is in direct opposition to the founding of the USA.


176 posted on 12/05/2014 6:53:37 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: csmusaret

Divorced once — You made a mistake

Divorced twice — You have bad luck

Divorced three times — You are either foolishly stupid or have no respect of the institution of marriage as a religious ceremony.


177 posted on 12/05/2014 7:58:00 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: central_va

Speaking of ignorance, George Washington and James Madison were essentially rebels, unloyal to Britain.


178 posted on 12/05/2014 10:29:27 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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