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One lawyer may have just killed part of the Internet of Things
Network World ^ | Nov 4, 2014 6:50 AM PT | By Andy Patrizio

Posted on 11/07/2014 7:16:57 PM PST by Swordmaker

By showing the intrusive nature of a smart TV, the whole pitch for IoT gets a lot harder

I've long felt the Internet of Things would be a tricky sell for a number of reasons, security and privacy being chief among them. People may not like having so many aspects of their lives connected to the internet, whether it's out of fear of being hacked or the intrusive nature of the companies behind the products.

The latest story on the privacy front won't help. Michael Price, counsel in the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, has written a detailed blog entry on why he is literally "terrified" to turn on his new TV. Hyperbole? Maybe. I mean, I'd just take the thing back. But he has a point.

Price actually sat down and read the 46-page privacy policy that comes with his TV. Here's what he found:

"The amount of data this thing collects is staggering. It logs where, when, how, and for how long you use the TV. It sets tracking cookies and beacons designed to detect ‘when you have viewed particular content or a particular email message.’ It records ‘the apps you use, the websites you visit, and how you interact with content.’ It ignores ‘do-not-track’ requests as a considered matter of policy.

"It also has a built-in camera — with facial recognition. The purpose is to provide ‘gesture control’ for the TV and enable you to log in to a personalized account using your face. On the upside, the images are saved on the TV instead of uploaded to a corporate server. On the downside, the Internet connection makes the whole TV vulnerable to hackers who have demonstrated the ability to take complete control of the machine.

"More troubling is the microphone. The TV boasts a ‘voice recognition’ feature that allows viewers to control the screen with voice commands. But the service comes with a rather ominous warning: ‘Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party.’ Got that? Don’t say personal or sensitive stuff in front of the TV."

He did not name the brand, but both LG and Samsung are known for this kind of intrusiveness. In both cases, you have the option of disabling all this data collection, but you lose all the Smart TV features, some of which are pretty nice.

Price comes to a devastating conclusion, which I agree with.

"Indeed, as the 'Internet of Things' matures, household appliances and physical objects will become more networked. Your ceiling lights, thermostat, and washing machine — even your socks — may be wired to interact online. The FBI will not have to bug your living room; you will do it yourself."

This article has shot around the Internet like mad. I am hardly the only person who has picked it up. And with that little paragraph, Price has summed up the biggest fear of the IoT concept and what will be the hardest sell to non-techie Americans. There is so much concern over NSA spying and eavesdropping as it is. He just hit people right where they live, and Price hardly comes off as a hysterical conspiracy theorist of the Adam Jones/David Icke variety.

IoT is a wide-ranging concept that will cover many, many areas. Consumer electronics is just a part of it. So no, I don't think this will hurt the overall concept. It would take more than one blog post to do that. But every consumer who reads this is going to think twice about any "Smart" appliance in the future.


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1 posted on 11/07/2014 7:16:57 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
Do we REALLY want a Smart TV in our living rooms? How about our bedrooms? Here is why Apple is working so hard to secure it's iOS devices under the control of the USER — PING!


Big Brother TV Spying and potential for Apple Security Ping!

If you want on the or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 11/07/2014 7:20:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

WE are meeting “Big Brother” and the scary part is that he just might be us, as we install our own spying equipment!


3 posted on 11/07/2014 7:22:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
IoT is a wide-ranging concept that will cover many, many areas.

Unfortunately, clarity is not one of them.

Being hip and nerdy requires, absolutely, to take an endless series of IQ tests, and/or to learn an endless list of cute and baffling acronyms; Sort of geek valley-girl-speak.

IoT = Internet of Things = Smart TV and most other other appliances = You don't really want one.

4 posted on 11/07/2014 7:30:47 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: Swordmaker
WE are meeting “Big Brother” and the scary part is that he just might be us, as we install our own spying equipment!

Black electrician tape.
Wire cutters.
Or wait a month or two and there'll be a YouTube video on step by step instructions on how to hack the Big Brother parts.

Or just pay extra and get the non-NSA version.

5 posted on 11/07/2014 7:38:04 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: publius911

Can’t stop progress. 2001 space odyssey our best friends may be our friends like HAL.

Having had a career in EE, CE, I think this guy is full of hot air. If the NSA wants to spy on you it can now.

Maybe the Red Voting wave will stop the spying. After all
congress can now cut off the funding for such invasions of privacy without a warrant.


6 posted on 11/07/2014 7:39:23 PM PST by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Swordmaker

"In America, television watches you."

7 posted on 11/07/2014 7:42:57 PM PST by dfwgator (The "Fire Muschamp" tagline is back!)
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To: Swordmaker

Many, many years ago I knew an old man who wasn’t real fond of paying his taxes, shall we say.

Well, he became increasingly paranoid, to the point that he thought the government was watching him from out of the television.

Eventually, he killed himself.

Maybe he wasn’t crazy, but simply ahead of his time ...


8 posted on 11/07/2014 7:44:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Polling: The art of discerning if the people were fooled by your last poll.)
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To: Swordmaker

Anyone that downloads any app is nuts.

An app for weather??? Go to weather.com!

I read the policy for an app it it said it would have access to all my photos and my email list. NO way. No apps for me.


9 posted on 11/07/2014 7:46:17 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Zenjitsuman
Having had a career in EE, CE, I think this guy is full of hot air. If the NSA wants to spy on you it can now.

We don't have to make it easier for them. My TVs don't have a camera or microphone in them. . . and Apple TV is iOS. . . and will be 256bit encrypted under the control of the user, not someone else, just as the iPad and the iPhone.

10 posted on 11/07/2014 7:47:39 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Maybe he wasn’t crazy, but simply ahead of his time ...

A man out of time. . . a prophet in his own country is not honored.

11 posted on 11/07/2014 7:49:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: icwhatudo
I read the policy for an app it it said it would have access to all my photos and my email list. NO way. No apps for me.

That's Android for you. . . some apps might have a legitimate need to have such access to those things, but some have it and do not.

12 posted on 11/07/2014 7:50:50 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: icwhatudo

How about Microsoft offering “Office” for iPad, for free?


13 posted on 11/07/2014 7:52:16 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (/s /s /s /s /s, my replies are "liberally" sprinkled with them behind every word and letter.!)
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To: Swordmaker

I have a sharp Quattron. Didn’t say anything about having a camera.


14 posted on 11/07/2014 7:55:26 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Swordmaker

So many of the “kids” I come across appear totally indifferent to this intrusion. They’re happy to trade the intrusion for the convenience. America has failed its kids and created a generation of sheep.


15 posted on 11/07/2014 7:55:50 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Scrambler Bob
Thread on Microsoft change to offering Word, Excel, and PowerPoint on iPad, iPhone, and later Android..
16 posted on 11/07/2014 8:05:46 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Chickensoup
I have a sharp Quattron. Didn’t say anything about having a camera.

Look up the specs online and find out. It probably doesn't. Samsung and LG are making the ones with cameras. It might have a microphone. Comcast is advertising the ability to control their cable box by voice, though.

17 posted on 11/07/2014 8:07:37 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: rockrr

....”So many of the “kids” I come across appear totally indifferent to this intrusion. They’re happy to trade the intrusion for the convenience. America has failed its kids and created a generation of sheep.”.......

You’ve got that right ...and they’re all marching to the piper! It’s a set up and we all know this for what is yet to come, and they’ll be easily convinced it’s all for their own good and believe it!


18 posted on 11/07/2014 8:19:50 PM PST by caww
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To: Swordmaker

Wait, what?


19 posted on 11/07/2014 8:52:34 PM PST by Oratam
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To: rockrr

Its the generation of reality TV.

People are being conditioned to have no privacy.

They are giving corporations and the Government enormous power over them without even thinking about the consequences.


20 posted on 11/07/2014 9:16:00 PM PST by crusher2013
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