Posted on 10/30/2014 9:43:06 AM PDT by Morgana
That slippery slope was explained long ago by Francis Schaefer and C Everitt Koop.
Jeb Bush could’ve been a guest and just sat there motionless saying and doing nothing the entire show.
I think the term is genocide. Disabled persons have GOD’s purpose for their life and His given right to life until GOD decides otherwise. This is not good.
This is the “next big thing”, folks. And unlike the gay stuff, it’s sneaking in under the radar.
So the wikipedia article says he was born in Oklahoma, he does have sort of an accent like that, highly recognizable. Sorry he has gone down this path.
Kill the undesirables!
In the voice of Lewis Black: Dr. F*** Phil is no doctor.
If she had killed herself before having Children, this Thread wouldn’t exist.
It goes without saying that no one has the right to kill someone for being "inconvenient", but unless you've lived the tremendous burden of trying to care for a severely disabled person, and navigate the monolithic healthcare/ bureacratic system in place, it's really better to keep phrases like "you're doing God's work" and "God has given you a blessing" to yourself.
My second marriage almost did not happen because my new found love nearly died also. I watched her become a quadriplegic before my eyes while on a date. I watched as the best Neurologist in town held little hope of improvement. A couple weeks later she was eating green beans with her fingers. We married in a hospital chapel. At that time limited use of arms and hands functions had returned. By the sixth month what she was going to get back had happened.
Now would I do it again? Yes. No regrets whatsoever. I'm husband first, caregiver second, and thrown in there also was being a parent to two teenagers.
GOD doesn't promise anyone an easy road. I have two cousins one was born quadriplegic with only the ability to move her fingers. The other one her sibling has also been in a wheelchair most of her life. Both of them have touched many hearts even a few famous ones.
As a 7th & 8th grader I saw kids with many severe disabilities. Some were Polio survivors, some had MD, some were deaf, blind, CP, you name it. It was at a regional school built specifically for special needs kids. I was there for Occupational Therapy for two years trying to get my coordination in check. This was years before mainstreaming. It was in 1970. You learn that they are human beings real fast.
I'm now 20 years into my own disability although it leaves me strength wise functional my concentration is limited and I have sensory induced seizures from certain sounds or optic stimulation. That's OK my wife helps me out.
Yes there are some disabled who due to severity and for their and others safety end up in an institution. There was also a time in this nation when many were placed there for minor abnormalities. I used to work in a nursing home. We had former mental institute patients. They could have been helped. Some were mildly retarded. Some were just developmentally stunted form being institutionalized. Still they are human beings. Ironically my wife of 29 years when we met was caring for those patients as a nurses aide.
Let me tell you about one patient she had. The woman was a Russian Jew we thing. One her arm was a tattoo with numbers. Her medical records said Deaf/Mute. Yet when she would walk into her room and say the woman's name she would start talking but no one understood her. Finally she went to the Nurse and said the woman isn't deaf. The nurse said OK prove it which she did.
Why persons are afflicted some severely we may never know this side of heaven. Who's lives they touch we may never know. GOD Knows. GOD has his reason though we may not understand why. A man I knew who was a WW2 Marine landing on the islands of Japan and heart combat hardened seemed unreachable to anyone who tried to talk to him about GOD. Yet two severely disabled grandkids melted his heart and yes it changed him for the better in the last years of his life.
I suspect a time is coming soon when a Hitler type will gain control of this nation or a group of such. It was the disabled and the Jews as well Hitler wanted dead. Allowing assisted suicide or in this case unnatural death is the Pandora's Box fixing to be opened.
A few years ago the nation watched as the courts allowed a woman inhumanely be denied water and nourishment. The woman was not terminally ill but was in the vague catch all term of vegetated state. The insistence of death came even at the objections of the parents of the woman who offered to assume all care and responsibility for her. We are in a moral war of conveniences. The bean counters are pleased.
Good point and well said.
I think the poster was just saying that it’s a hard road for caregivers and not “a blessing” that some like to bs it is.
Caring for the infirm, disabled is tough, hard. It’s not “a blessing” all the time to some who do.
You seem liKe a wonderful person and I respect and admire the road you travel.
I wonder sometimes, about those who put their loved ones in nursing homes rather than care for them at home themselves. I’ve seen many friends and acquaintances put their elderly, infirm parents in nursing homes because they couldn’t or wouldn’t care for them, inconvenience themselves or mostly because they had other obligations or didn’t know how to do so. I would never do that and was fortunate that I have a husband that enabled me not to do that to my parents. We were able to care for them in our home until they died. Not everyone can or will do that.
One of my oldest and closest friends is caring for her aging parents as well as her down syndrome brother who is also mentally disturbed (probably schizophrenic). She and one of her sisters put their lives on hold in order to do this. It ain’t easy and most of the time they aren’t thinking they’re blessed. It’s a hard life. They took on a tremendous responsibility and in doing so allowed their other four siblings to live their lives without this being their number one priority. The other sibs were able to have families of their own.
Touching hearts is great but it still doesn’t mean a thing to those who are living with and dealing with these hardships and they are hardships.
I know what it's like to deal with two adults needing care I've done it several times including at home Hospice three years ago. At one point before my disability I was working 50 plus hour weeks too.
I have a sibling in a nursing home. Why? Because it's safe. Dementia and some mental issues make home care impossible and dangerous. I handle the Medical POA part and another relative does the bookkeeping. I can't see myself waking in and saying hey I think it's time for my sibling to die. That is what this is about. It's about the USA establishing doctor assisted suicide. It's Genocide. There is no other word for it. If a person feels inconvenienced or their "life" infringed upon for caring for someone then step aside and allow others to do the care. That would be more healthier for all involved.
Some nursing homes are bad and some are good just like hospitals are. I like to show up at different times and I know what to look for. Read the state reports etc.
I watched my wife several times pass up her lunch of her own free will to go give a patient extra care. She loved her job and her patients. She could have made as much money or more cooking burgers but she liked doing what she was doing. The same with my Mom who was a Special Education Teachers Aide in the school I went too after I left. She retired doing that. Just because a person for example is a teacher doesn't mean they can be a special education teacher. It takes a special GOD given talent.
I think the term is genocide. Disabled persons have GOD’s purpose for their life and His given right to life until GOD decides otherwise. This is not good.
Now where my words have been twisted from that defies logic. I wasn't condemning anyone "EXCEPT" those trying to do {as in demanding} these so called Mercy Killings be done. It's wrong. There is no justification for taking a disabled persons life with unnatural means. This is not the same thing as a DNR order. Someone who is no longer the primary caregiver making demands of "mercy killing"
I wasn't condemning anyone who was enduring a situation beyond their endurance. In these times there are alternatives and have been such in many states for decades. How can having someone institutionalized to do so becoming a "ward of the state" as someone who be giving care to someone beyond their endurance?
This week on the popular Dr. Phil Show, a mother named Annette Corriveau was featured. She’s special because she wants the right to be able to kill her children. That’s right. She is the mother of two severely disabled adult children, and she feels that the moral thing to do would be to kill them by lethal injection, to end their “suffering.” Her children were diagnosed with Sanfilippo syndrome, causing them to lose motor function and be institutionalized. They cannot speak, and they have to be fed through feeding tubes. Any more information on their condition wasn’t made clear – probably because, as Annette admitted, she visits her children only once every two months. The people who actually work with her children every day, and see them on a regular basis, and could therefore give a better idea of what their lives are like, were not interviewed for the show. We had only Annette’s point of view, which is that – according to her – if her children could choose, they would choose suicide.
What care is she giving them? That paragraph is what I was addressing. The person lost any empathy from me when the idea of killing them became the goal. Worse is using type of shows that exploits dysfunctional people as a means to push it.
Maybe on Exploit E'm talk shows we should start having live of die votes. The studio audience decides the outcome /sarcasm.
Anyone coming after a member of my family with their damn death panel euthanasia movement crap will not be pleased with their outcome and my response.
I'm not one in a million. Some can accept being a caregiver to a family member or spouse and some can not. Ironically marriages which happen after the fact of disability fair much better than those where a spouse becomes disabled. We learned that in rehab. Why? Because where marriages where disabilities happen the healthy spouse resents the disabled spouse not being able to do what they did previously. That's true in quite a few circumstances the doctor told us.
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