Posted on 09/28/2014 1:41:44 PM PDT by Patriot777
Ebola clinics fill up as death toll hits 3,000: CDC issues dire predictions on Ebola: Doctors are in short supply and countries are scrambling to find more resources for the Ebola outbreak, as the death toll from the virus hit 3,000. According to a Wall Street Journal report Sunday, the World Health Organization said 3,091 people have died of confirmed, suspected or probable cases of Ebola. Even as countries try to marshal more resources, those needs threaten to become much greater, and possibly even insurmountable. "The situation on the ground is just disastrous," said Dr. Heinz Feldmann, chief of virology at the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who recently returned from Liberia.
"The idea of having hundreds of people in tent structures for Ebola management is unbelievable but the way this is spreading, we need to find a solution now."
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Sorry flamberge, it wasn’t you that was claiming that Ebola is going to reach the public through one of the 4 super clinics, it was Secret Agent Man.
The Nebraska facility was built as already a 10 bed treatment center.
If the info I read was correct, there were 22 beds in BSL-4 facilities in the US when this outbreak hit the radar (roughly June, although it had been going on much longer); a dozen of those beds are in Nebraska.
Ansel, thank you for posting the narrative of what happened at the Reston monkey import facility.
A few salient points that need to be made clear:
1) There is no firm evidence that the Ebola Reston strain ever spread through aerosols. That particular facility was, by the accounts, very dirty (a “monkey hell” in one description), and the virus could easily have been carried between rooms, for instance, on someone’s sleeve.
2) Ebola Reston is not a mutation of Ebola Zaire; they both split from some ancestor filovirus, probably tens of thousands of years ago. I haven’t looked at the phylogenetic trees, so I am guessing; the point is, that these have both been circulating for a while in animal reservoirs.
3) There is no evidence that Ebola Reston causes symptomatic disease in humans. As far as I know, 15 people were documented to be seropositive for Ebola Reston (that is, they have antibody evidence of previous infection), but no one has ever become ill from it. The WHO still recommends handling Reston under BSL4 conditions, because there remains the possibility that some people would develop full-blown Ebola fever disease from exposure to Reston virus.
People also overlook that these special clinics are located inside existing hospitals, big and advanced, prestigious hospitals.
If they had to, they can expand under some pretty good conditions.
It is a little older list, but matches what I have been able to find. Any updates would be welcome.
The heartbreak would come when there are simply too many American victims of Ebola (in Africa) for available transport or treatment facilities.
Triage is an ugly business.
Somebody with political clout would pull strings and cut some corners for their relatives. Safety protocols would get bypassed entirely and there would be an accident in transport.
That is most likely how Ebola may be introduced to the American public.
We are a long way from death dealing triage of Americans in Africa.
You already have us letting Americans die and are already creating your conspiracy theories on how the rich and powerful introduce Ebola to America through bribery.
Try to get a grip on yourself and your imagination.
Which makes it an excellent candidate on which to base an Ebola vaccine. Much as cowpox provided immunity to smallpox, it may be that a vaccine derived from Ebola-Reston may provide immunity to other strains of Ebola.
There are just a few some practical difficulties with this line of research.
No doubt there are labs working this angle right now. Time is very short for a medical answer.
The Army is working on it.
http://www.usamriid.army.mil/press_releases/Pettitt%20Release%20Aug%202013.pdf
Actually we are not such a long way. That's the problem with exponential growth processes.
If the doubling time for new infections continues to be every three weeks, we will easily reach 1 million cases by the end of January 2015. That is a CDC estimate, published about 6 days ago. Nothing has improved since then.
"Treatment Centers" in Africa might be effective in theory. In practice, too many of the staff die and there aren't enough people left to run the places. So the patients wind up back in their homes where they continue to spread the infection.
Of course the doubling time may slow down - or even halt. Once the population density falls below a critical level, the epidemic will stop. It could be a long, tragic fall.
As far as "conspiracy theories" go, finding wealthy and powerful people who think that the rules do not apply to them - is not such a big stretch.
Bribery to get past a quarantine line is already observed in the hot zone countries. Somebody will almost certainly try it to get their relatives out of Guinea or Senegal and into the US.
Actually we ARE a long way from your “death dealing triage of Americans in Africa”.
We are even farther from your goofy conspiracy theories already explaining things that haven’t even happened.
You really need to get a grip on your fantasies, I sure don’t want to waste time having to deal with your imaginary world.
If Ebola Reston and Ebola Zaire are too far diverged from their common ancestor, vaccinating with Reston might not be any help at all for Zaire. Cross-immunity must be determined experimentally, since it does not always exist.
yes.
i am not panicked. the point of the article is dicussing keys to containment.
it is not out of panic i say a key to containment is not deliberately taking infected people and spreading them across the globe.
you must have missed the’reent scathing articles discussing major protocol breaches’in cdc buildings housing dangerous infectious diseases.
to say because we have these facilities and protocols it’s just not going to happen is putting way to much faith in people that have a record of violating safety protocols, infecting people on purpose, covering up mmr/autism vaccine porblems, which are now having insiders confirming the coverups. i don’t trust them and if you do you’re naive.
to each his own. a basic strategy for containing infectious disease is not taking infected people to other countries and continents. set up biolabs in the infected places to do work and treatment. i’m all for helping them where they are.
No one is taking contaminated people people and spreading them around the globe.
So you aren’t denying that in your imagination Ebola’s entry into the United States won’t come from the millions of tourists, and visitors and immigrants on planes, or our thousands of miles of open borders crossed by millions, nope, in your fantasy it comes from our super specialized top Ebola treatment facility treating a sick Ebola doctor that you think should have been left back in Africa.
That is where the ethical problems begin with this sort of research. The only definitive experiments must be done on humans. Some of them will likely die from the experiments.
That is exactly how the smallpox/cowpox vaccination was developed.
IIRC the original patient was a volunteer - the Doctor vaccinated himself and then exposed himself to smallpox.
Something like that could be necessary with Ebola.
if they are taking people infected with ebola to other countries and continents to treat, they certainly are. and they already have.
i am not discounting other vectors. you didn’t ask me that specifically. yesi am concerned about that.
what i am saying - and have said all along, which you missed, aparently - is that it makes sense not to take suspected/known infected people to other countries and continents, deliberately, to treat. that is just asking fo trouble. it’s bad enough some might get through before they’re known. it’s suicidal to delberately take known infected/suspected folks to other places.
I am not sure you were replying to the right poster here.
If so, then you might note that people get paid to think up these horrid scenarios and then assess the probability that they could happen. After picking out the top five possibilities, they then get tasked with analyzing the critical indicators, and devising methods to prevent those scenarios from happening.
Strangely enough, this is for your benefit.
It's called Contingency Planning, and Risk Mitigation. The people who do this for a living are professionals. They tend to have a rather dour outlook on events and an odd sense of humor.
I am sure that you don't want to live in that world, and most of the time you don't have to.
By posting here, on this particular topic, you have opened doors to information that you may prefer not to know.
They?
A few Americans have returned home to be treated for illness.
There is no international conspiracy to grab infected people and spread them around the planet.
Your childish fantasies have nothing to do with the professionals running this operation.
You don’t bring any information, and seem immune to it.
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