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The Air Force will now allow airmen to omit ‘so help me God’ from enlistment oaths
The Washington Post ^ | September 17, 2014 | Abby Ohlheiser

Posted on 09/17/2014 10:41:07 PM PDT by right-wing agnostic

After an airman was unable to complete his reenlistment because he omitted the part of a required oath that states “so help me God,” the Air Force changed its instructions for the oath.

Following a review of the policy by the Department of Defense General Counsel, the Air Force will now permit airmen to omit the phrase, should they so choose. That change is effective immediately, according to an Air Force statement.

“We take any instance in which Airmen report concerns regarding religious freedom seriously,” Secretary of the Air Force Deborah Lee James said in the statement. “We are making the appropriate adjustments to ensure our Airmen’s rights are protected.

“The Air Force will be updating the instructions for both enlisted and commissioned Airmen to reflect these changes in the coming weeks, but the policy change is effective now. Airmen who choose to omit the words ‘So help me God’ from enlistment and officer appointment oaths may do so.”

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KEYWORDS: oaths; sohelpmegod; usairforce
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I realize that this decision is not popular around Free Republic, but I think this is a constitutionally sound decision by the U.S. Air Force./rwa
1 posted on 09/17/2014 10:41:07 PM PDT by right-wing agnostic
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It ought to be noted that up until 2013...they had the two options and someone (unknown and not brought into the controversy) made the decision that the God-phrase was the only option. The Marines, Army and Navy? That’s the odd thing...they continued on with the two options, as has been the case for decades.

The Pentagon legal staff really didn’t do anything except ask what Air Force idiot made the change, and how they’d come to that rational decision, while the other services maintained the decades-old standard of two options.

I think the Air Force was a bit embarrassed by the whole thing and looking around at what other little rule changes have been tossed into the works that suggest some type of agenda at work.


2 posted on 09/17/2014 10:45:57 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: right-wing agnostic

How about “so help me Hanna”?


3 posted on 09/17/2014 10:57:05 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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and soon enough, they will ban that from the oath

just like gay sex in the barracks is okay, but not Bibles and prayers


5 posted on 09/17/2014 11:06:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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this is a constitutionally sound decision
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I’m sure that explanation will work well with God when these Godless officers are praying to Him in combat.

Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do....


6 posted on 09/17/2014 11:14:56 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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I think its a sound decision. An oath is meant to be binding, by having you call upon something that you hold very dear to bind you. If you don't believe in the God you vow to, it calls into question the validity of your promise.

I still think it's sad that such a day has come to pass though.

7 posted on 09/17/2014 11:18:43 PM PDT by Vanders9
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Not surprising.

America has strayed from the Shepherd, and I don’t think she will find her way back.

People that don’t believe in God don’t think He exists because they cannot find Him anywhere. They can see no evidence of Him.

But all the while they looked around, they never looked in the place that He is.

Inside of us.

But it is quite clear that many people in this country and elsewhere are very much empty in that regard.


8 posted on 09/17/2014 11:39:01 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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Sound?

Disheartening.


9 posted on 09/17/2014 11:43:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: right-wing agnostic

No man should be forced to acknowledge God or a religion in service of their country, under a government job.

If he wants to believe in nothing, then let him be a Buddhist, so be it.

If he chooses no god, then his conscience should be his guide.

If he wants to be a Hindu, then let Vishnu guide him.

if a man wants to swear an oath to God, then he should be allowed to acknowledge his presence in his life.


10 posted on 09/17/2014 11:47:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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“I realize that this decision is not popular around Free Republic, but I think this is a constitutionally sound decision by the U.S. Air Force./rwa”

Bad move, because guess who their ‘Co-Pilot” is NOW.
God help em.


11 posted on 09/18/2014 12:47:47 AM PDT by ourworldawry
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So how is that Godless Hopey Changie thing doing for us?


12 posted on 09/18/2014 3:25:44 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Not surprised. Their calendar for 2014 doesn’t even mention Easter. Disgusting.


13 posted on 09/18/2014 3:26:01 AM PDT by laweeks
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Is “so help me Obama” acceptable?


14 posted on 09/18/2014 3:30:52 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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The issue drew attention to a previously unnoticed rule change: The rules governing the Air Force’s enlistment oaths used to include a note stating that “Airmen may omit the words ‘so help me God,’ if desired for personal reasons.” That exception quietly disappeared in October 2013, after which the Air Force required the inclusion of the full oath for any enlistment or reenlistment.

The rules used to allow the omission of the words “so help me God” if desired for personal reasons until recently. I don’t know how long the prior rule was in place, but they are just reverting back to what had been in place before and what other service branches allow. No biggie. Those who wish to not omit it, can still say it and those who wish not to say it (including, if I am not mistaken, some Christian sects who do not believe in evoking the “name of God or G-D if you will, in an “oath”).

15 posted on 09/18/2014 3:43:25 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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Might as well, God won’t help this country anymore anyway, without an enormous spiritual renewal.


16 posted on 09/18/2014 4:00:18 AM PDT by Old Yeller (D.A.M.N. - Deport All Muslims Now! Starting in the White House.)
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Turn your back on God and he will turn his back on you. This country is completely LOST. Get ready to start reading the Koran. Me, I will die first.


17 posted on 09/18/2014 4:16:16 AM PDT by DaveA37
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I realize that this decision is not popular around Free Republic, but I think this is a constitutionally sound decision by the U.S. Air Force./rwa

I agree. I'm actually surprised it's gone unchallenged this long.

18 posted on 09/18/2014 4:25:19 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: headstamp 2

So help me Rhonda.


19 posted on 09/18/2014 4:26:12 AM PDT by BlueYonder
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Is this not a litmus test now? Will people opt-out of saying it for fear of those that would discriminate against the religious?

And I disagree on constitutionality, hasn’t it been this way since...forever? How is this, only now, unconstitutional? So, the same for swearing in a president? ...all of the other instances in our system? It’s just another attack on the judeo-christian ethics that has woven the fabric of our society and driven our system of government and law.


20 posted on 09/18/2014 5:20:08 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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