Animals can be ‘victims’ just like people, Oregon Supreme Court says

The Oregonian ^ | August 22, 2014 at 2:50 PM | Aimee Green

[Secret Agent Man]

i told you - local people deciding in their own communities voting on it.

whatever they decide, others will know and it will either be a positive or negative for them. as with anything.

[Salamander]

Our patron saint should be Sisyphus.

:)

[RedHeeler]

Oregon animal abuse laws, were already well established and violators have and will continue to be, fully prosecuted. Especially, in Oregon, of all areas. Laws do not prevent crime. Never have and never will. Grow up, take a good inventory of who you are, and proceed at your own risk.

[Alice in Wonderland]

What did the experts say about the ones who dropped dead from exhaustion or were hit by cars?

How many New York City carriage horses have dropped dead from exhaustion or by being hit by cars?

[RedHeeler]

Inanity is an end, to all means. Take care.

[Salamander]

Happy horses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070043/THIRD-Central-Park-carriage-horse-collapses-6-weeks-busy-New-York-street.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/06/09/runaway-horse-drags-carriage-around-central-park-hits-cab/

[Salamander]

Google might not be your friend, in this case.

Everybody and their dog has video phones, now.

You were warned.

[Secret Agent Man]

no kidding laws don’t prevent crime. that doesn’t mean we don’ t need them. but i say let the people determine what laws they are going to live under. by vote.

let’s just call it a day.

[Darksheare]

Soooo...a baby isn’t a child prior to birth?
Explain.

[shibumi]

Sniff, sniff?

[Alice in Wonderland]

Charlie did drop dead ... cause unknown. He had been on the streets only a couple of weeks and Dr. Corey, the head of the ASPCA equine unit, lost her job when she tried to clarify the ASPCA statement saying that Charlie was abused. There is an unhealthy partnership between the ASPCA and NYCLASS which coverts the stable properties.

The other horse in that article got "his hind leg got caught in the carriage shaft, causing him to hit the ground". He tripped, he didn't collapse.

Pumpkin's bridle broke and horse followed his usual route within Central Park and exited the park at where a group of horse carriage drivers were waiting to corral him. No one was hurt.

This is the abuse the horses, the drivers, and their passengers face constantly.

[Olog-hai]

It’s in the first line, and I highlighted it.

[Alice in Wonderland]

The RARAs often use this photo of Oreo during their protests. Poor abused horse . . .

What they don't tell ya is Oreo was working his regular shift when a bundle of scaffolding at a nearby construction site crashed to the pavement. Startled by the unusual loud noise, Oreo bolted and headed west in the direction of his stable. He was calmly waiting at a red light on 9th Avenue, when he was approached by pedestrians and police officers. The cops shot him with tranquilizers which caused him to collapse ... giving the RARAa a wonderful photo opportunity. Here's a video a passerby took of the horse before the police arrived.

[Olog-hai]

Finding honesty in “advocacy”? Got a better chance of finding a needle in a haystack without a magnet.

[98ZJ USMC]

Unborn children

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Contradiction in terms.

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And that's a lie.

[Nepeta]

“Equine experts” defend horse racing.

Barbaro? Ruffian?

This is a complex issue. You have to understand a lot about the last 50 years of racing to understand much of it.

Ruffian belonged to one of the last multi-generational stables in racing. They are still active today, and won the Kentucky Derby last year with Orb. They care a lot about their animals.

I've never seen a hind-leg breakdown early in a race like Barbaro's. However, it should be noted that Barbaro's leg was fully repaired--AND FULLY HEALED--when he was euthanized not because of the break, but because of laminitis. That he was able to be worked on as well as he was was due to techniques and improvements in equine surgery since Ruffian.

There is a lot of blather about TBs not being as sound as they once were. IT ISN'T TRUE. The same bloodlines that trainers struggle to race 6 times a year here race often in Australia.

The big difference is in the use of Lasix, permitted on raceday here but NOT in most of the rest of the world. Lasix is a diuretic, and its use requires a long recovery time. Lasix supposedly prevents lung hemorrhaging, but the weight loss from the diuretic effect is worth a few lengths.

[Pecos]

Pardon me for interjecting....

There is a huge leap between preventing cruelty to animals and equating them with human beings. In the first case, there are long-standing laws that LEOs can refer to and prevent further pain and suffering of the animal. In the second case, humans are seen merely as animals, which we are not. If we are simply another form of animal life (as asserted by the Hard Left), then there is no logical difference between pre-meditated murder and all of the slaughter houses of the country, no logical difference between kidnapping and holding a goldfish captive in a tank, no logical difference between slavery and keeping a seeing eye dog, and no logical difference between marrying a dolphin and marrying someone of my own species.

[muir_redwoods]

Could you provide a citation showing exact language crafted by the court equating animals with humans? What I read seemed to simply say, in effect, that authorities could act expeditiously to prevent or relieve cruelty and/or neglect.

[Diamond]

again, scope of the case was not addresing what you are leaping to

If you don't mind me interjecting here, "scope" only slows liberals and leftists down. They will concede and pay lip service to precedent most of the time realizing that they can accomplish their desired societal changes gradually. Their two steps forward one step back dialectic is evidenced by some of the hopey, changey, advancy claptrap approvingly quoted in State v. Fessenden / Dicke itself:

As those statutes illustrate, some animals, such as pets, occupy a unique position in people’s hearts and in the law. See, e.g., Rabideau v. City of Racine, 243 Wis2d 486, 491, 627 NW 2d, 795, 798 (2001) (“[W]e are uncomfortable with the law’s cold characterization of a dog *** as mere property.’ ”). Horses also hold a special place in human affection, as well as in the development of animal welfare laws. The seal of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the oldest animal protection organization in the United States, pictures an angel intervening to save a carriage horse from being beaten.¹¹ And the novel Black Beauty (1877), written from the point of view of a carriage horse, is widely credited with increasing awareness of the suffering of animals and advancing the cause of animal welfare. See Claudia Durst Johnson and Vernon Elso Johnson, The Social Impact of the Novel: A Reference Guide 253-54 (2002) (Black Beauty was “credited with boosting the activity in anticruelty societies and anticruelty legislation across the nation.”). Ongoing litigation in the United States seeks to establish legal personhood for chimpanzees, see Charles Siebert, The Rights of Man… and Beast, NY Times, Apr 27, 2014, at MM28 (describing suits filed by the Nonhuman Rights Project on behalf of three chimpanzees), and India’s Central Zoo Authority recently banned the exhibition of dolphins after concluding that their status was closer to that of “non-human persons.”¹² As we continue to learn more about the interrelated nature of all life, the day may come when

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¹⁰ ORS 167.343, like ORS 167.305, was enacted in 2013; we cite it as general background.

¹¹ See ASPCA, About Us, http://www.aspca.org/about-us (accessed July 31, 2014) (showing seal).

¹² See Government of India, Ministry of Environment and Forestries, Central Zoo Authority, Circular, Policy on Establishment of Dolphinarium - Regarding, May 17, 2013, 2, http://envfor.nic.in/sites/default/files/ban%20on%20dolphanariums.pdf (accessed July 31, 2014) (“dolphin[s] should be seen as ‘non-human persons’ and

humans perceive less separation between themselves and other living beings than the law now reflects. However, we do not need a mirror to the past or a telescope to the future to recognize that the legal status of animals has changed and is changing still, or to agree with defendants that, at this moment in time, Oregon law does not protect animal life to the same extent or in the same way that it protects human life....

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as such should have their own specific rights and [it] is morally unacceptable to keep them captive for entertainment purpose[s]”).

Cordially,

[Diamond]

See #99. It's only dicta, but you can see where they are headed.

Cordially,