Posted on 08/19/2014 2:00:40 AM PDT by idov
There are lots of famous Jewish atheists from Sigmund Freud to Ayn Rand to Isaac Asimov to Woody Allen.
How do you think the Jewish community would have reacted if what follows had happened?
A Jewish couple, atheists, artists, puts on an exhibit in which they critique five major religions with artworks and commentary. At the end of the first day the gallery owner comes up to them and says, you are attacking Islam and that means you favor the Jews in "Palestine." This is "racism."
They try to explain that they are critiquing five major religions equally, did not single out Islam, did not mention the Palestinian issue, and therefore took no position on it.
Not good enough. The gallery owner continues his tirade and blames the Jews in "Palestine" for all the woes of the Arabs. The woman asks, "What is your reaction when Arabs blow up a bus full of Jewish children?" His response, "So what?"
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.timesofisrael.com ...
It’s a one way street foisted on the planet by the media that people still trust somehow.
My brother was furious with Israel after seeing something related to the Gaza episode recently. I sent him a few articles that had been highlighted here in FR that showed how the Muslims were using children as shields. “Oh?” He said.
Their would be lots of “Oh?”’s. If we could somehow prove to the slower among us that news is really Marxist and Islamic propaganda from the criminal MSM.
I am certain that what they exhibited was garbage not art.
I’m not looking for an argument on religion but I am simply following a 2,000-year-old Jewish tradition regarding the origins of Christianity. Only in Israel and India does Jesus go by a Hindi name, Yeshu, which in Egypt was applied to Krishna.
How can you be a Jew and an atheist too? I’ve surely never heard references made to Christians atheists.”Jewish” isn’t an ethnicity,it’s a religious belief.
Israel is a nation, not a religion. Only 30 per cent of Israelis are classified as religious. That’s less than what it was because they brought in 1 million residents of the former Soviet Union who were indoctrinated in atheist schools. Most of them are the same today as when they got here and so are the children.
Oh. That's a new one on me. But maybe, as this writer, dealing with the claim that "Iesous" or "Jesus" is a pagan corruption, states, you can "simply take "Yahshua" and extricate "Ahshu" from it and now we have a name which is derived directly from that of the Hindu goddess Shiva and Ya is the heathen god of Ebla. And that cloud passing overhead looks like a poodle, therefore it is a poodle."
Are you saying His original name was Yeshu versus 'Yehoshua/"Yeshua'" or that these come from Yeshu from India? And that Yehoshua was not a common name in the time of the Second Temple?
And this is something you have objectively researched and thus hold that this means Yehoshua/"Yeshua did not exist, but that the story of Christ "came from straight from Egyptian mythology" as your author (unless you are him) contends? (http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/survey-says-jews-killed-jesus-the-guy-was-a-myth/)
And you are not looking for an argument on religion??? -
Good grief - hebrew and the hindu language are not the same. They do not even contain the same definition in their base languages.
your 2000 yr old 'jewish' tradition if clearly bogus.
No credible scholar denies the historicity of Jesus.
May as well deny all history if you deny the life of Jesus because nothing in ancient history is more documented than the life of Jesus Christ.
I am not looking for an argument. The Indians were coming in to Egypt for centuries. A cult developed around Yeshu, a name for Krishna. His number two was Pet.Ra, same kind of name as Potiphe.Ra, related to the sun god Ra, and he was the gatekeeper of the Egyptian heaven. He got the same position in the new cult. The mother’s name was either Maya, mother of Buddha, or Meri, a common Egyptian name. When Greeks got hold of the myth they gave her a Latin name Maria, cognate of Marius. Petra in Greek is feminine so that was flipped that to Petros. The first the Jews heard about this myth was circa 120. Meir, the sage, read the book in Greek. He called it the Aven Gilyon, “an edition of inquity.” But they knew the god in the myth with the Greek name by his original Hindi name and it was never changed.
This is the kind of tripe that comes from groups like Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research-IDMR- They claim the Greek word Christos means Krishna. But if one translated Krishna to English it is not Christos since they have no equivalent word for this in their language. What they ( and your by your claims) are trying to make a connection with a pagan god(s) by phonics (what the word sounds like )and not the actual definition of the word used.
So idov - perhaps you need to come out of the closet and quit producing this tripe
or perhaps mr. idov, you are the author of the article and as such are an atheist and anti-semite author of many books as well
https://sites.google.com/site/2inimeg/
I am posting on a current events subject here.
I do write on religions. In those books I put a notice early on that this book is not suitable for those with religious beliefs. If someone bought it, they can return it. If they borrowed they don’t have to go past 10 per cent and so don’t pay.
I am only looking for readers with open, inquiring minds.
You are coming in here looking for an argument.
I know exactly where the word “Christos” came from. A bunch of half illiterate numskulls in Alexandria out to make a fast buck decided to throw the Torah into Greek. The Jews never read it because it was such a botch, but the Greeks did.
They came to the Hebrew noun “anointed.” They didn’t know enough Greek to translate it so they went for a verb which means “to rub” as in a bath. Reference is Paul Carus if you know who that is.
Christos is a nonsense word which if it were made into a noun which come out Rubbie.
I am not an atheist. I am what you call a heretic. They don’t burn us today, sorry.
On the contrary pal - you're the one looking for trouble.
I know exactly where the word “Christos” came from. A bunch of half illiterate numskulls in Alexandria out to make a fast buck decided to throw the Torah into Greek. The Jews never read it because it was such a botch, but the Greeks did.
Further display of poor historical understanding idov. Your bias is clearly on display with this bleat. It is a straight across translation of mashiyach - which also means 'annointed'.
They didn’t know enough Greek to translate it so they went for a verb which means “to rub” as in a bath.
Only if you are stupid enough to look at the root word idov. Still 'annonted' in hebrew = annointed in Greek. Your verb is chriō while Christos is an adverb.
Paul Carus
Epic facepalm - sorry but his theories/philosophy of the late 19th/early 20th century are out of date as too his thoughts about the origin of Christos - something about the New Testiment being the defining of the word, since it was written in Greek origionally - and conveyed the Jewish understanding of 'annointed'.
I am not an atheist. I am what you call a heretic. They don’t burn us today, sorry.
AFA this piece of junk you've posted - it really doesn't matter what you are - except that it exposes you for who you are.
And blog pimping too boot.
Looking for trouble because I stand up to an ignoramus like yourself?
Do you read ancient Greek? This was what Carus wrote as the origin of the word “Christos.”
Paul Carus: “The verb means ‘to rub,’ lightly to touch the surface of a body; ‘to bedaub.’ It is commonly used in the sense of smearing the body with oil, as the Greeks were used to doing after a bath. But the idea of ‘rubbing’ is fundamental.”
The noun Christos properly rendered is Rubbie.
Here’s what George Sarton, an historian who also read ancient Greek, said about that translation.
George Sarton: “The early part of the Septuagint, the Torah or Pentateuch, is written in a very poor Judeo-Greek; according to specialists that dialect is Egyptian rather than Palestinian. I have read only Genesis and was horrified by the language.”
“How was this permitted to happen?”
This became a standing joke book among the Jews. Only the Greeks took it seriously.
talking to yourself in a mirror?
Paul Carus: “The verb means ‘to rub,’ lightly to touch the surface of a body; ‘to bedaub.’ It is commonly used in the sense of smearing the body with oil, as the Greeks were used to doing after a bath. But the idea of ‘rubbing’ is fundamental.”
Actually he is likely citing Homer's use of the verb. that is a verb. The fact of the matter it always was associated with the placement of oil as classical greek use of the same word for its leaders and 'gods' brought forth the common thread of being selected / special - I doubt your insistence on 'rub' holds for these other examples.
The noun Christos properly rendered is Rubbie.
Are you always this stupid, or are you making a special effort today?
George Sarton:
Who was hardly a biblical scholar - a humanist who's world view skewed his readings. You seem stuck in these late 18th / early 19th century humanists idov.
You don’t read ancient Greek so you don’t have the foggiest notion of what you are talking about.
Here are the unimpeachable elements of your Greek myth.
A god with a Hindi name Yeshu.
A second god with an Egyptian name Pet.Ra.
The mother of the god with a Latin name Maria.
And a title of the god which in English means Rubbie.
What century are you in? The twelfth? Get a life.
Are you saying His original name was Yeshu versus 'Yehoshua/"Yeshua'" or that these come from Yeshu from India? And that Yehoshua was not a common name in the time of the Second Temple?
And this is something you have objectively researched and thus hold that this means Yehoshua/"Yeshua did not exist, but that the story of Christ "came from straight from Egyptian mythology" as your author (unless you are him) contends? (http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/survey-says-jews-killed-jesus-the-guy-was-a-myth/)
It is a rare opportunity to have a published author post here on FR and be able to converse on the subject matter. For that I thank you (if indeed you are Mr. Dov Ivry).
Daniel1212 brought up some valid points in his comments and links in previous posts. I will point out the Jewish tradition from which you gain your insight into the origin of the Anglicized form name of Jesus is one such Hebrew insight and opinion. For Christianity is of origin to the Hebrew/Jewish religion and such our very first members were Jews. One such opinion to our Hebrew Christian brethren is the following:
The name "Jesus" is an Anglicized form of the Greek name Yesous found in the New Testament, which represented the Hebrew Bible name Yeshua ("Jeshua" in English Bibles; Ezra 2:2; Neh 7:7). Yeshua, in turn, was a shortened form of the name Yehoshua ("Joshua" in English Bibles).
"Yehoshua" is a compound name consisting of two elements.
(1) The prefix "Yeho–" is an abbreviation of the Tetragrammaton, God's Four-Letter Name: Yod-He-Vav-He or YHVH.
In the Hebrew Bible "Yeho-" is used at the beginning of certain proper names: Jehoshaphat, Jehoiachin, Jehonathan (the "J" was pronounced as "Y" in Medieval English). The suffix form of the Tetragrammaton is "-yah" ("-iah" in Greek, as in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, or Halleluiah).
(2) The second element is a form of the Hebrew verb yasha which means to deliver, save, or rescue.
Thus, linguistically, the name Yehoshua/Yeshua/Jesus conveys the idea that God (YHVH) delivers (his people).
Source: Hebrew Streams: http://www.hebrew-streams.org/frontstuff/jesus-yeshua.html
You are an author/reporter therefore the link for further research if you care to do so.
Another good Jewish scholar source to expand your understanding of the firm Jewish roots of Christianity is Dr. David H. Stern. He authored the English translation of the OT and NT called the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB). Dr. Stern provides his research on the name of Jesus Christ and its Hebrew roots both in his introduction to the CJB and within the commentaries of the NT specifically Luke chapter 1.
I hope these references will broaden your horizon on the subject matter. As a reporter, I am sure you appreciate the great value multiple sources:)
Shalom Aleichem
Neither do you - you only cite those who haven't the foggiest notion.
A god with a Hindi name Yeshu.
circa 800 AD
Here are the unimpeachable elements of your Greek myth.
My greek myth? Sorry bud, thinking isn't your strong point, is it?
And a title of the god which in English means Rubbie.
Yep an atheist at heart who insults Jesus on the basis of a perverted interpretation of a greek verb based upon the say-so of other atheists/humanists. English must be your second language since the last time I looked it up there is nothing in a dictionary that even remotely resembles your translation. You’re having delusions of competence.
What century are you in? The twelfth? Get a life.
Fortunately for me, the 21st where we don't have to make perverted interpretations to feel good about yourself. All your references so far are from the late 19th. Perhaps you should go and crawl back under your rock.
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