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Liberals in Uniform? Really?
Vanity | Dec. 6, 2013 | Ronin

Posted on 12/05/2013 3:40:07 PM PST by Ronin

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To: Ronin
She is wrong.

When I was in the Marine Corps I learned the truest definition of 'courage'. And this is it - "Courage is not the elimination of fear, it's the realization that there is something more important.".

This is why the left so loathes the military. The left projects, and sees every situation in how it effects them, while the right empathizes. They are incapable of understanding self sacrifice. That is why your debater is wrong.
21 posted on 12/05/2013 4:06:50 PM PST by MMaschin
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To: Ronin

...if there really were more liberals in the military, the left would be doing everything in its power to get soldiers to vote.

Instead, the left is constantly disenfranchising the military.


22 posted on 12/05/2013 4:09:09 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: MMaschin

Speaking ex-cathedra from my belly button I have always thought that the Air Force would be the most Liberal 50-60% Conservative leaning, while the Marines would be the least 80-90% Conservative leaning — with the Army and Navy roughly at the same percentage, at about 70%.

I did not think, and still do not think, that Liberals would be attracted to military service regardless of the benefits offered, and if they were recruited, I don’t think they could handle the regimentation. Most would wash out when they realized that “Yes indeed, you do have to get your lazy ass out of bed and do your job on a daily basis”.


23 posted on 12/05/2013 4:11:34 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Ronin

There is purging, and squashing, and changing. And further, a notable portions of military conservative vote for democrats. That said, hundreds may be being purged, and thousands dissuaded, there are over a million in uniform.


24 posted on 12/05/2013 4:15:40 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Old Sarge

Great essay.

I would also consider that extraordinary differences in 1942 vs. today, but starting in the 1960s.

The greatest generation that fought and died in WWII had an American Public that fully supported them. They were building the tanks, trucks and airplanes etc...

Since Vietnam, the American public has seen war as belonging to someone else.

They have and continue to have any number of distractions that allow them to be detached from what it means to be an American.


25 posted on 12/05/2013 4:18:25 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Ronin

When I retired from the Navy 10 years ago it was very conservative. Now when I go on the local Army base I am suprised at the number of obama stickers I see on cars.


26 posted on 12/05/2013 4:18:43 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Ronin
Our Armed Forces culture was created to be nonpolitical. That in itself is a conservative principle. And it has been reinforced in the Armed Forces for a long time.

However, the evil that is called liberalism (one of its many guises) abhors this. It has been doing everything it can to politicize our Armed Forces for a long time. The purges are part of this. Should liberalism succeed in politicizing our Armed Forces’ leadership then the Republic is finished.

Always remember, liberals want raw power. They are totalitarians no different than Nazis, Communists, and Dictators. They have lusted after control of both our Armed Forces and Police Forces. So far they have failed to turn either. So they have been subverting federal law enforcement agencies and trying to build their own armed forces (Brownshirts). And while doing so they continue to try to at least neuter our Armed Forces.

Are our Armed Forces liberal? Not yet. But the enemy within keeps trying.

27 posted on 12/05/2013 4:19:12 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Ronin

As confirmed above, most people in the military are conservative.

However, for anyone serving who also has some aspects of sociopathology (power hunger or outright criminal mindedness), there is a strong temptation to come out of the military and run for office.

General rule: military background + running for office as a democrat = good chance to get ahead on the backs of your constituents.

This has been demonstrated time and again in Congress.


28 posted on 12/05/2013 4:19:12 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Ronin
Al Gore survived, somehow.

29 posted on 12/05/2013 4:20:36 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: clintonh8r

My fear too. Don’t rely on a military coup to save you in the event of jackbooted tyranny from the left. Rely on one thing and one thing alone. A trigger behind your finger.


30 posted on 12/05/2013 4:23:55 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Ronin

Socialist juntas.

Nothing new. Just have to kill these creatures before they get there.

Or get killed yourself.


31 posted on 12/05/2013 4:27:18 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Zeneta

The biggest changes began in the mid to late eighties with the move from squad bays and open barracks to dormitory quarters.

The spartan life acted as a bulwark that kept all sorts of people away. You really had to have a reason beyond pay and allowances to stay in more than a term. A lot of us predicted this result from the change.


32 posted on 12/05/2013 4:37:21 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Old Sarge
7 ...If there is any hope for the America of our memory, it lies in the unorganized militia.

What about the National Guard in those states controlled by GOP governors, with the obvious exception of NJ.

33 posted on 12/05/2013 4:37:26 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: clintonh8r

I think you’re correct. Liberals, like Satan move in incremental steps.


34 posted on 12/05/2013 4:41:28 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: DakotaGator

I’ve always thought that the Leftist have a schizophrenic attitude when it comes to the military. Since the Left loves power, craves power, and worships power, they’re pervertedly attracted to the application of military force. On the other hand, since the military culture is something they instinctively abhor, cannot understand, and have no hope of completely controlling, they hate and fear it.

To a Statist, any power outside of their control is anathema. The Soviets tried to solve the dilemma with the Zampolit system. Putting political officers in every command, and even at every level in large commands — in order to create a separate command structure under Party control.

The US Armed Forces are not at that level yet, but I predict that something like that is evolving, through the “Social Action, Minority Affairs” officers. In the future, it won’t be a collateral duty, it will be a separate joint services career track, with its own schools, etc., and they will have life or death authority over every career.

That’s if we don’t somehow stop it soon.


35 posted on 12/05/2013 4:51:03 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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When I was in the AF 66-70, most of the guys I served with were, in fact, lefties. I was, however, in units that got lots of the sons of politicians and high level bureaucrats and the semi rebellious sons of industrialists(Thurgood Marshall’s nephew and the son of Corning Glass’s CEO f.i.).


36 posted on 12/05/2013 5:00:12 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: MacNaughton

Bear in mind, the Army National Guard, while under control of the state Governors, can be Federalized at any time, by the King’s whim.

The Guard is also even more politically loyal to the government than Big Army is. Many states have the promotion scheme that relies totally on the officer’s political affiliation. KY and PA are notorious for that.

I will concede, though, that while the Guard leadership are loyalists, the ranks are less so. Folks who are local people, still serving for whatever reason, might be less inclined to open fire on their neighbors.


37 posted on 12/05/2013 5:04:47 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Zeneta

I can agree. And thanks. :)


38 posted on 12/05/2013 5:07:07 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: clintonh8r
and are being replaced by homosexuals and their sympathizers,

And women, though from what my son(in Germany right now) tells me they are mostly in the homosexual category.

39 posted on 12/05/2013 5:07:45 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Ronin

It doesn’t matter.

As long as they follow orders when they herd us into camps


40 posted on 12/05/2013 5:13:00 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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