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To: SunkenCiv

The next world was supposed to be fun... hence, the beer....

Now I am a staunch Christian but I sometimes wonder about private ministries of the Holy Spirit, who of course always existed. Were some of these ancient peoples saved by faith through private revelations of God before the world knew formally about Judaism and Christianity?


5 posted on 11/23/2013 11:41:41 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

This one was a Red Forman “beer church”, apart from it not being a church at all. It can be difficult to get one’s mind around the length of time before the existence of Judaism, out of which Christianity was derived, even for those who believe the Earth originated in 4004 BC.

Judaism originated during the Babylonian Captivity; it is rooted in the Temple period (which saw its schisms), which in turn derived from the Tabernacle period, which originated and evolved after the Exodus, circa 1450 BC, during the forty years of Wandering.

It seems likely that both the Golden Calf and the Ark of the Convenant were built of the (Egyptian) coffin of Joseph.

Even after the Conquest, the various local gentry oppressed the Israelites for long periods, and there must have been a decentralization of religious leadership and practices. Whatever those practices were, they probably had local variations which were quite dramatic, and picked up bits and pieces of foreign cults in the area.

Everything that came before the Exodus is found in a greatly condensed form in Genesis. The only Biblical evidence for any kind of earlier priesthoods appear as non-Hebrew cults, such as Melchizedek (”Zedek is my King”) of Abraham’s time, and Abraham’s early attempts (taking his own son to sacrifice him).

The earliest surviving writing (that can be read, anyway; there is some kind of runic system preserved among the Neolithic cave paintings) antedates the Bible by thousands of years, and preserves scraps of other belief systems that come across as quite alien to us.


12 posted on 11/23/2013 12:02:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In heaven there is no beer.
That’s why we drink it here.


15 posted on 11/23/2013 3:12:11 PM PST by DManA (rs)
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