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My Obamacare Surprise (Juan W. reporting for duty!)
Fox ^ | 10/10/13 | Juan Williams

Posted on 10/11/2013 4:41:10 AM PDT by workerbee

**SNIP**

Unlike Americans who tell pollsters they don’t like the new law and find it confusing, the business professionals dealing with the day-to-day reality of the new health insurance landscape accept the Affordable Care Act as straight forward approach to begin cutting the rising cost of health care for people and companies.

At the conference, sponsored by the Sun Life Financial Inc., these health care and corporate professionals pointed to reductions in the expense health care puts on small businesses with less than 50 workers. And they think people who work for small companies – as well as part time workers-- will get a better deal from public marketplaces for insurance than from most existing employer plans for part-timers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: insurance; juanwilliams; obamacare; sycophant
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1 posted on 10/11/2013 4:41:10 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: workerbee

Juan Williams is borderline retarded and 100% lemming libtard.


2 posted on 10/11/2013 4:42:35 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: workerbee

Juan is looking for a silver lining but the law completely blots out the sun. It’s an exercise in futility.


3 posted on 10/11/2013 4:43:57 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: workerbee

This article is one of the reasons Fox isn’t worth watching anymore!


4 posted on 10/11/2013 4:45:14 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: workerbee

I wish Fox would cut down on his face time. As soon as I see him or Colmes, off goes the station.


5 posted on 10/11/2013 4:48:16 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: kenmcg

Fox should be embarrassed that they have someone so stupid working for them. It makes “Fair and Balanced” become “Dumb and Dumber”.


6 posted on 10/11/2013 4:48:38 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: workerbee

Let me put it so that others can understand it.

Juan Williams is an Obama loving sh*t shoveler.

It’s as simple as that.


7 posted on 10/11/2013 4:50:59 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: kenmcg

“Many of the nation’s top insurance companies, brokers and major employers have moved beyond the bitter debate in Washington”

Let’s examine the reasons behind that statement: Assuming insurance companies don’t go away, they each expect their business to go up, not down, as the government pours in the subsidies AND the eek out increases from those who “can pay” higher premiums for less coverage. Insurance companies win. Moving along, “major employers”, yeah sure, when they move everyone off the health insurance provided by the employer rolls, their costs go DOWN. Even if they provide a subsidy they are better off just from the standpoint of not having to keep benefit coordinators on the rolls AND when they move hours of employees down below 30, no subsidy is needed PLUS they just expect the same amount of worker output...win win for them. Lastly the government benefits in a few ways: the less employer provided health insurance benefits, the higher the employees taxable income plus fines if they don’t get their own insurance. Another win win. The biggest losers here are the nations small businesses who get it in the neck but I guess they are the 3% the MIT jackass believes will be those hurt.


8 posted on 10/11/2013 4:52:06 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Common Sense 101

“as straight forward approach to begin cutting the rising cost of health care for people and companies.”

Well yes, once it achieves it’s goal of simultaneously driving private enterprise out of business and destroying private health insurance, then it will begin cutting the rising costs. Just like every other government program, it has to be more efficient.....at waste, fraud and abuse...


9 posted on 10/11/2013 4:52:09 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: workerbee

This article is so filled with “estimated to” “they think that” and no actual facts

Like the 300% increase in premiums, and the numerous layoffs already happening

Nice try Juan, but you are right- you are NOT entitled to your own facts (and you didn’t cite any, anyways)


10 posted on 10/11/2013 4:52:17 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: workerbee

Poor Juan...he swallows the lies whole...without chewing on any hard factual information.


11 posted on 10/11/2013 4:53:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: workerbee

Juan did make one interesting point- that the one-year delay the republicans are asking for will “cost” billions and guarantee the program will fail

The program is ALREADY guaranteed to fail, but he just gave the first sound bite on how they will blame its failure on Republicans filing to let them implement it fully


12 posted on 10/11/2013 4:53:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: workerbee

What Juan Williams is saying is of no relevance. The issue isn’t how many people are helped by Obamacare. It’s how many are hurt. That he shows no sympathy for those whose premiums are increased, or for those who are denied full-time jobs, or for small companies that restrain their expansion, indicates he’s a utilitarian. The greatest good for the greatest number. As Joseph Stalin put it, “You cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs.”


13 posted on 10/11/2013 4:56:36 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Mouton
when they move hours of employees down below 30

IE: Move Employees from the 40 hour work week to Obama's 29 1/2 Work week; getting a, more than, 25% CUT for those formerly on Full time pay

Those already on part time are feeling the pinch being limited to 29 1/2 now. As for those businesses just over 50 employees? Tough luck for the 51st, 52nd and so forth - they will shortly have no pay.

14 posted on 10/11/2013 4:57:05 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: workerbee

And this affirmative action hire was made a millionaire by Roger Ailes of Fox News to spout his Obama worship. Unbelievable.


15 posted on 10/11/2013 4:59:31 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Redmen4ever
Gruber helped to design the health care reform in Massachusetts under Republican Mitt Romney and advised the Obama administration on its plan.

He estimates 17 percent of Americans will be demonstrably “better off” with lower cost insurance and better benefits while about three percent will face higher premiums and be “worse off.”

So 80% of us aren't going to be affected? That's what this guy wants us to believe? Hey, have I told you about a bridge I've got for sale?

16 posted on 10/11/2013 5:00:24 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee

So, it is obvious that 0bamacare is a boon to small businesses with under 50 employees; especially those that have been offering insurance coverages to their staff.

Under 0bamacare, those companies can drop coverage, forcing their employees to the alternatives allowed by Zero and 0bamunists. In addition, they save the employer contribution they were previously providing, often with NO offset to the compensation of those same people.

For instance, my employer pays 50% of my premium, and I stand the balance, along with coverage for my dependents. Come January, they are dumping coverages for everyone (we are under the 50 headcount limit). They are NOT increasing my salary to toss in that contribution they were formerly providing. So, even absent the change to coverages, deductibles and OOP, my direct health insurance costs will increase by about 20%. I cannot bring myself to test the waters of the new normal in health insurance, so I cannot say what the real cost will be.

This is so anti-Constitutional, it is unbelievable.

Time for a change; a MAJOR change.


17 posted on 10/11/2013 5:08:10 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: workerbee

I doubt that Williams, having gotten the favorable assesment he sought, bothered to get other, perhaps dissenting, opinions.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 5:08:47 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: workerbee
Juan Williams live in a black Washington bubble.
In his little world; Big government is great. A black pResident should be king. Blacks are never wrong and anyone who questions anything black is a racist.

When Juan Williams face shows up on my TV, I switch channels.

19 posted on 10/11/2013 5:13:39 AM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Venturer

Juan Williams can’t pull Obama’s johnson out of his mouth long enough to make a coherent statement


20 posted on 10/11/2013 5:13:44 AM PDT by jrg
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To: jrg

Very well said.


21 posted on 10/11/2013 5:21:43 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: workerbee

Every once in a while, Juan starts to act like he’s been injected with an ever-so-slight amount of common-sense serum and begins to venture into the sunlight of truth... only to be violently jerked back by the firmly re-chained back to the plantation floor.


22 posted on 10/11/2013 5:24:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: workerbee

“Why, Obamacare even pays for me to repeatedly have my head extracted from Barack’s backside, an expensive procedure called a craniorectobamectomy.”


23 posted on 10/11/2013 5:25:42 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: ScottinVA
*jerked back by the neck and firmly...
24 posted on 10/11/2013 5:25:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Common Sense 101

I actually used to kinda like the guy, even though I disagreed with him most of the time. But I have watched him devolve into yet another Zero apologist. To watch him become a lib talking point Obamabot has been just sad.


25 posted on 10/11/2013 5:27:13 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: workerbee

Wow! What a load of crap!


26 posted on 10/11/2013 5:29:04 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: workerbee; All

What is this clown’s claim to fame to get on NPR? Besides the obvious fact that he is black.

Seriously. What did he ever accomplish to get paid for giving his opinions on NPR, and then Foxnews? I know smarter (and more honest) people who pick up trash.


27 posted on 10/11/2013 5:29:05 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Common Sense 101

Juam Williams has his head up his obama.


28 posted on 10/11/2013 5:29:45 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IronJack

LOL


29 posted on 10/11/2013 5:30:34 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Joe Biden might tell you that he’s not ONLY black, but clean and articulate!


30 posted on 10/11/2013 5:32:53 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee

Millions more will be uncovered this year Juan, because Obamacare has made it uncompetitive to stay in the market.


31 posted on 10/11/2013 5:42:34 AM PDT by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Common Sense 101

You are far too kind.


32 posted on 10/11/2013 5:46:01 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: workerbee

I remember Juan YELLING that if the Catholic bishops don’t want to pay for contraception and abortion, all they need to do is “stop taking federal money.”

Did anyone ever succeed in straightening him out?


33 posted on 10/11/2013 5:46:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: workerbee

Here is the reality Juan doesn’t want to see. My husband works as a contractor for the AirForce. A co-worker is also a contractor but employed by a different company. That company consists of three people: the 67 year old married female president, a secretary, also married, and the co-worker. Since the married president and the married secretary are both covered under their husband’s health insurance, they just dropped the insurance for the co-worker. He is forced to buy Obamacare exchange insurance. The cheapest bare bones policy will cost him $2000 per month since he has five dependents, his wife and four kids, two of whom must now be covered because they are over twenty but not yet 26. To which Juan would reply “But it’s portable. He can take it with him when he changes jobs!”


34 posted on 10/11/2013 5:53:54 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: workerbee
“Specifically, a one-year delay of the individual mandate would reduce the expected coverage gains under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) by nearly 85 percent, relative to current law, according to a recent CBO estimate. Delaying the individual mandate also would raise premiums for health insurance purchased in the individual market in 2014, CBO finds.”

Gee, Juan. I wonder why? Could it be the millions of people running away in horror from this Obamination?

35 posted on 10/11/2013 6:14:30 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: workerbee
They are looking forward to employers being freed to focus on employee retention and motivation beyond health care plans.

Dump their current employees health care "COST" on the American tax payer via the federal exchanges, and of course employers will welcome this or any other plan that lowers their out of pocket cost.

Juan Williams is the dumbest porch ______ ever hired by FOX after he was dumped by NPR.

Juan has a son that is hard core conservative, but I'd have to see DNA proof of that relationship.

36 posted on 10/11/2013 6:27:18 AM PDT by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: USS Alaska
Juan has a son that is hard core conservative,

He does? No kidding. Maybe that's why Juan works extra hard to prove his plantation cred. Gotta make up for the son that ran away.

37 posted on 10/11/2013 6:29:59 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: VeniVidiVici

So if you do as that sebelius person suggested, and choose to delay zerocare for a year by paying the penalty instead, you can expect to pay higher premiums once you do sign up.


38 posted on 10/11/2013 6:35:30 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: workerbee

At least this person is attempting to quantify those helped and those hurt. 17% helped versus 3% hurt. A 6-to-1 ratio. I suppose that’s good enough for utilitarians.

Now, let’s think about this estimate. According to the U-6 unemployment rate, about 14% of Americans are (1) unemployed, (2) not looking for work because they don’t believe they can find work, and (3) working part-time wanting full-time work. This compares to an 8% U-6 unemployment rate during 2007-08.

It is perhaps unfair to say ALL of the higher U-6 unemployment rate is due specifically to Obamacare. But certainly, at least half of it is. That would be 3% right there.

Without counting any of the people whose health insurance premiums have gone up, and who have been forced to buy health insurance while young and in good health and without assets (so that taking their chances with of being without health insurance makes sense from an individual basis), we account for the ENTIRE estimate of “losers” under Obamacare.

I think a fair estimate is that there are as many losers as their are winners.


39 posted on 10/11/2013 6:58:57 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: workerbee
At the conference, sponsored by the Sun Life Financial Inc.,

Sun Life Assurance Company of Canada, Eh.

40 posted on 10/11/2013 7:51:15 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: workerbee

That opening paragraph reads like boilerplate.


41 posted on 10/11/2013 7:55:17 AM PDT by Oratam (Thank you St. Jude!)
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To: Mouton

If the young healthy un subsidized folks don’t sign up (for the bad coverage) the insurance companies will bail rather quickly, some like United Healthcare in CA chose not to play at all.

Subsidized people get plans with smaller or no deductible, smaller co-pays and smaller cost sharing, with the same premium paid to the carrier.


42 posted on 10/11/2013 8:03:16 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: Redmen4ever
What Juan Williams is saying is of no relevance. The issue isn’t how many people are helped by Obamacare. It’s how many are hurt.

Pity the poor fool who drops their current coverage just so they can get a small government handout and then Obamacare goes away.

43 posted on 10/11/2013 8:09:47 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: Redmen4ever
The issue isn’t how many people are helped by Obamacare. It’s how many are hurt.

Like all socialist programs Obamacare depends on the greatest number of people it hurts as the measure of its success.

44 posted on 10/11/2013 8:12:51 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: workerbee

The Obama whore of FOX news.


45 posted on 10/11/2013 8:17:28 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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46 posted on 10/11/2013 8:18:46 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: PubliusMM
especially those that have been offering insurance coverages to their staff.

Reading this you might ask why would a small business drop coverage that they were offering their employees all along and everyone was happy with? Are these greedy employers just taking advantage of this law to increase profits?

The reality is that the government has imposed its own mandate on what constitutes allowable converge and to cover the same employees would be more expensive.

47 posted on 10/11/2013 8:21:35 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: Heart of Georgia

It’s a tax. they can raise it to whatever penalty tax rate they want. But only if the RATs can win back the house.


48 posted on 10/11/2013 8:24:35 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: workerbee
1. I see that Joo-wan didn't attempt to sign up online for the "Affordable Health Care Crash". He probably has "people" for that.

2. I also see that Joo-wan is just scraping by on barely $600,000 a year, much like the rest of us peasants.

2010: Juan Williams Gets $2 Million, Three-Year Contract With Fox News: LAT

Shove it, Juan.

49 posted on 10/11/2013 8:41:24 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Oratam
That opening paragraph reads like boilerplate.

Jay "Mr. Claire Shipman (D-ABC)" Carney probably FAXed it over to Juan before he wrote the piece.

50 posted on 10/11/2013 8:44:14 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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