Shrouded in Mystery (Shroud of Turin)

The TOF Spot ^ | August 13, 2013 | Michael Flynn

[newfreep]

Even with today’s technology, the Shroud cannot be duplicated - i.e. the 3D image that has been described as being created by a “little big bang” explosion.

In addition, all of the tangible evidence is simply overwhelming.

A few years ago, I visited northern Italy on business. On a Saturday evening, my hosts took me to dinner in downtown Turin where afterwards we walked the area and passed by THE church. It was amazing just walking by and seeing it lit up.

[Swordmaker]

Excellent article on the Shroud. Ignore the author’s attempts at levity, I found a few to be humorous, but most were a bit juvenile. Other than that, a commendable effort.

SHROUD OF TURIN PIng!

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks ApplegateRanch.

The first person to call the Shroud a medieval fake was... a medieval bishop! Bishop Pierre d'Arcis of Troyes wrote to Pope Clement VII at Avignon, stating that an artist had confessed to painting the Shroud... there is no reason why Christ's burial shroud should bear an image at all. There is no such claim in the gospels or in Acts. None of the epistles say, Oh by the way there's this magical picture of the Lord... Some fundamentalists reject the Shroud for that very reason: It's not in the Book! So this brings up the curious question: Why would anyone claim that the image indicates the cloth to be the burial shroud of Christ?

It's surprising how much time and energy has been invested in something that has no relevance to any recognized theology, or any logical possibility of being what it is sometimes purported to be.

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[HiTech RedNeck]

A bit of being juvenile in the right spirit (one of wonder and awe and glory to God) CAN be a good thing. There is a godly levity that isn’t irreverent at all! God never intended our worship to be a dusty, musty thing. Truly, before God we are all children with “grown-up” capabilities. If we lose the childlike wonder at God that moves us (like even the little baby) to clap and laugh, we haven’t grown up thereby. We have rather thrown in further with the fool who says (in some ways, though yet not all) “[there is] no God.” That’s a lie anchored in evil spirits, a lie whose spell won’t be completely dispelled until the saved arrive in complete glory.

There is such a legacy of mystery with this Shroud. I lean towards accepting that it’s what it is being taken to be, with the caveat that please, let the reverence go to God. One can be every bit as much a good a worshiper of God without ever having encountered the Shroud. I got great flak a few weeks ago when I said the Shroud today wasn’t necessary. That’s the sense I meant it in. I did not mean to demean the Lord for having made it available.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The power of joy even makes me amend myself here. Talking about what is necessary is a slippery thing. In a sense yes it’s necessary if it’s real. There might even be waiting for us a heavenly equivalent of a museum in which these things can be viewed and now beyond a question as to what they are. And we’ll be happily applauding God and saying “Wonderful job our dear Lord!”

I guess I would mean that on earth we would be able to be firmly on the road to heavenly glory without having encountered it.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[MHGinTN]

A careful word study of the tomb scenes related in the Gospels shows that Jesus left that burial cloth AND the rock tomb without taking the cloth off or rolling away the stone. The Physics behind doing such a thing has to have extraordinary energy utilization, so the trace remains of such an energy surge could well have been source for the image on the shroud. That men with today’s advanced technology still are unable to explain precisely how the image was deposited in the cloth speaks to the extraordinary energy utilization even the more! Jesus left our where/when and ‘stepped’ into a different where/when no further away from you and me than the length of a man’s arm, yet we are totally un-sensing of that other where/when.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I’m further on a roll... forgive me if I am getting over enthusiastic at the thoughts the Lord (I believe) is giving me. We’d even applaud HIM for being wonderful, at the sight of the things He left behind, one being this Shroud if it’s real. We have to make conscious effort at applauding God and we often applaud things that are a bit less than God, such as God’s works. We’re forgiven for this lapse, and we keep on pushing the demons out of our lives. It’s like C. S. Lewis’s “inclined plane.” Except the inclination of the plane isn’t God’s, it’s ours and as we repent to a gracious God we keep on fighting evil out of our lives to the extent that God has given us legitimate reach. Argh... I used to be an amateur philosopher and it probably shows... if this does not edify you then please ignore it and forgive me.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I could go along with that picture of an energy flash, with the caveat that without more sure information, I would not want to trap our Lord’s works in the framework of “pure physics” especially when we know Him for miracles like stopping and restarting the rotation of the earth (i.e. making the sun stand still). I have the same gentle chiding for the “creation science” folks, even the old-earth ones who are not as great offenders in that regard. If there was a flash it was a joyful manifestation of power.

[madison10]

I think it is authentic, there was no way to fake what happened to the shroud.

Did NOT read the article I have read and seen other items about it.

[ZULU]

I believe it is what it is purported to be, nothing less nothing more.

The idea that a relic forger was capable of such detail and accuracy in the Middle Ages is laughable. Further, at a time when any chicken bone could be produced as the bones of a saint, WHY WOULD ANYONE BOTHER?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Yes, the idea of a conscious forgery seems to vastly fail the plausibility test.

If believing that this is a genuine relic our response should be hallelujah to the Lord.

The devil wants to detract from the glory of God and a mock relic would do that, I believe. God will forgive us if we are mistaken because our heavenly faith doesn’t rest on the shroud. Rather, the shroud is acknowledged as another pointer to the Lord by our heavenly faith.

[Ditter]

I didn't know what to believe the first time I read about The Shroud. Then I got to thinking that if I had been there I would have taken The Shroud, saved and protected it. Then passed it on to someone who would do the same, I believe that it is The Shroud of Jesus.

[M Kehoe]

Bttt.

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[Bigg Red]

You often post comments about religion that I do not agree with, but, for this one, I offer a great big “ditto”!

[ZULU]

Very well said. Even if it was a fraud, that wold have no effect in my belief in the scriptures.

[EternalHope]

Will read later.

Thanks for posting.

[Bigg Red]

I have to admit that I did not read the entire article, although the quarter or so that I have read seems well-researched. Will finish it later, as I have a lot to do since we just got back from a 9-day trip.

That said, I do truly believe it is the Shroud of Jesus. But, if it is not, my faith is in no way altered.

[null and void]

The nails through the wrist versus the hand have always bothered me. Even with that discrepancy, I believe it is the Shroud.

If you found a human remain on the street that consisted of the last 4" of the forearm, the wrist, the palm, four fingers and a thumb, with nails, what word would you use to describe it on the 911 call?

Hebrew didn't distinguish between the hand and wrist.

A European artist would have put the nail in the palm, that it wasn't indicates it isn't a European forgery.

[M Kehoe]

I enjoyed the post. So, the question may be asked, do you believe in the Shroud as Jesus the Christ burial shroud?

Don't care. Most Christians don't care, but I'll tell you this, when Christ returns he will separate the goats from the sheep. And no "looking busy" will spare you if you haven't accepted Him as your Savior.

Heads up! [Figuratively and literally]

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