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Vanity: Disappointed in Cheney

Posted on 06/16/2013 11:38:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

After watching former Vice President Dick Cheney I'm very disappointed.

He defended the NSA Surveillance Program by saying he started it in 2004.

But what Cheney fails to realize is.. he and George W. Bush are NOT in office anymore.

Whatever the program was, when he was in charge has been CHANGED and EXPANDED.

Obama is now in charge and Cheney is out of the national security loop. How can he defend this program?

I love Dick Cheney but this is beyond the pale!


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1 posted on 06/16/2013 11:38:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Plus he’s also advocating intervention in Syria and saying “John McCain has it about right?”

Sheesh!


2 posted on 06/16/2013 11:39:46 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; Bayard; EveningStar; TigerClaws

ping


3 posted on 06/16/2013 11:40:50 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Another rich guy who thinks Obama’s America is no big deal. He’ll never suffer because of it, why should he be worried?


4 posted on 06/16/2013 11:41:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ConservativeMan55

Things have changed alot in 5 years, most of all the attitude of the executive branch towards the American people. Perhaps Cheney, dealing with health problems and living outside the beltway, is not fully aware of this.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 11:41:34 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: jjotto

He’s not a part of the government now.. so how can he defend what’s going on NOW?

He has no clue what information they are collecting now.


6 posted on 06/16/2013 11:42:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: skeeter

I think he’s living off the grid. But Cheney’s not stupid. He HAS to know why people are upset.


7 posted on 06/16/2013 11:42:47 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
The big revelation -- and some people are a little slow in coming to this -- is that the Political Establishment is the Political Establishment.

There is no "Democrat".
There is no "Republican".
There is no "Hard Left".
There is no "Hard Right".

Of course, not everyone gets along, and Cheney may not really like Obama, or Boehner, or whomever -- but Cheney believes that Washington should run your life. Bush believes that. McCain believes that. Obama believes that. Valerie Jarrett believes that.

There is a reasonable chance that Sarah Palin does not believe that -- which is probably why the entire political class zipped into overdrive to make sure that she had no role in national government at all. They crushed her double-quick.

Because the Political Establishment want to control your entire life. You are not allowed to rise to the top (and Cheney was at the top for decades) unless you think that way.

8 posted on 06/16/2013 11:44:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ConservativeMan55
I don't see why you are surprised, Cheney is an elitist statist while the Rats are socialist statists.

Neither are on your side, or ever have been.

9 posted on 06/16/2013 11:46:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

The problem is not the program. The problem is the current occupant of the WH and his staff. In the corrupt hands of people like this, any and all programs will be misused.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 11:47:33 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: ConservativeMan55
We have seen this over and over again.

Insiders and former insiders appear to be too close to the situation and too biased by their idea of how thing used to work to see the BIG picture (to see Obama for the corrupt liar he is and to see the coup taking place before their very eyes).

Very clever on the part of the Commies...in fact, clever to an almost Satanic level of smoothness.

11 posted on 06/16/2013 11:48:16 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Or maybe he’s just being realistic. Since the NSA was founded they’ve done what they want when they want with very little if any actual supervision. They were no cleaner when he and Bush were in the White House than they are now. Any organization that has the job of collecting secrets will never be under the control of people with public lives that fear secrets being revealed.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 11:48:23 AM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: oldbrowser

Exactly I’ll agree with you on that.

But as long as you have the program.. there’s a chance it will be misused.

Are you willing to sacrifice liberty for freedom?


13 posted on 06/16/2013 11:49:02 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
People don't remember, Cheney was never a conservative, throughout his career. he always worked for "liberals."

He worked for Nixon, then he was Chief of Staff for Ford. Then he was Secretary of Defense for Bush 41. If you worked for those people, you probably hate conservatives.

14 posted on 06/16/2013 11:49:45 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: discostu

Did you hear what Rep Steve King said on Glenn Beck Friday?

He said many Democrat political organizations KNEW about Conservative political organizations. They could tell them who they were emailing, what they were looking at online, etc.

Obama’s taken the program and used it for his own political power.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 11:50:36 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ClearCase_guy
You sound like a libertarian.
Here's another:

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”---George Washington

16 posted on 06/16/2013 11:51:26 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding Palin.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3031746/posts


17 posted on 06/16/2013 11:51:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
After watching former Vice President Dick Cheney I'm very disappointed.

You will find many, many supporters for that position here on FR. But not me.

Cheney is no angel but compared to the vast majority of Republicans and all Democrats he still looks good to me. As a test, name all the Republicans who are more trustworthy than Cheney. For most Freepers that is very short list. Sarah, Ted and the no longer with us Ronald and a couple others and that's it. All the rest are just lumped together and thrown under the bus and that includes Cheney and Bush.

That's a formula for a Perfect Storm in 2014 and 2016 - if you're a Democrat.

18 posted on 06/16/2013 11:52:30 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

I’m disappointed in him. But I wish he could see what we see.


19 posted on 06/16/2013 11:53:40 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ClearCase_guy
Everything you say is true except it omits one major point.

Obama is the one putting the mosques beyond the eyes of the intel apparatus. He is the one saying that our enemies are not jihadis but patriots. He is the one eliminating the linkage between islam and terrorism. He is the one installing John Brennan, muslim, as DCI.

Obama is the one who has redefined the enemy as conservatives, patriots, Christians, and Jews.

20 posted on 06/16/2013 11:54:09 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I’ve always respected Cheney as a man who was straight-forward and spoke honestly. I’ve found that people who are naturally honest expect honesty from others. Perhaps its just too engrained in him that the government is there to protect and not do harm. Unfortunately, he needs to come to grips with reality. We can no longer afford to trust our government...AT ALL on ANYTHING!


21 posted on 06/16/2013 11:54:20 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ConservativeMan55
He's honest and consistent.

He's been saying he's for a more powerful executive branch for years. What do you think he meant by that?

Would you really want him to say, "I've always been for a powerful, intrusive spying apparatus at home and abroad, but I'm going to renounce this and attack Obama for purely political reasons?" Would that make you happy?

22 posted on 06/16/2013 11:54:21 AM PDT by x
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To: ConservativeMan55

Are you smart enough to understand that King was only telling half the story?

It’s time for you to understand what Hoover figured out nearly a hundred years ago: knowledge is power, but don’t forget to stroke the ego. These kind of agencies do whatever they want, and part of what they want is to do “favors” for whoever thinks they’re in charge, it keeps them happy and malleable, it’s the carrot. Of course you also have pictures of them doing bad things, so there’s the stick. Anybody that doesn’t get in the NSA’s way will get information from this program. Obama, Bush, King, Cheney. It’s the carrot.


23 posted on 06/16/2013 11:55:33 AM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: Twotone

I would hope that he would understand that.. Obama has lost all cred among the American public.

So how could he, Obama, be trusted with this information?????

He can’t!


24 posted on 06/16/2013 11:55:45 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Its probably true, then, that Cheney feels loyalty towards the ruling elite.


25 posted on 06/16/2013 11:56:09 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ConservativeMan55
The problem with Cheney and many of his generation is that they think human history began the day they were born. Unlike the great minds, like Churchill, he has no perspective or understanding of the human condition or the role of government in it.

Those who do not understand or learn from history are fools that have no legacy. On the other hand, people like Churchill will never be forgotten.
26 posted on 06/16/2013 11:57:32 AM PDT by microgood
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To: skeeter

Perhaps, once you’re that high up in government and are able to see ALL the threats.. it makes you think differently.

But at the same time.. we should not be sacrificing liberty for safety.


27 posted on 06/16/2013 11:58:20 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Uh, with all due respect Mr. Cheney, will the guys be able to have bullets when they go to intervene?/s kind of.

When Cheney says it’s ok to intervene, will the brains behind the oval office do the opposite or will they go halfway out like in the Stan...with limited rules of engagement. Al Qaeda target practice. I need a cigarette.


28 posted on 06/16/2013 11:59:18 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: microgood

I’m having a hard time with this one. I felt like I trusted Cheney.

He may have been trustworthy. But the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is absolutely NOT to be trusted with anything.


29 posted on 06/16/2013 11:59:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Cheney works for the same guys as Obama does.


30 posted on 06/16/2013 12:00:32 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: huldah1776

It’ll be like lobbing bombs at an Aspirin factory.


31 posted on 06/16/2013 12:00:41 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Cheney needs to talk to Jim Sensenbrenner. The senator believes the eavesdropping program has been perverted all beyond its original form.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 12:00:47 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: riri

I always felt like Cheney was concerned about keeping us safe.

But this is insanity. Can’t have the government with this much power.


33 posted on 06/16/2013 12:01:39 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: skeeter

I wonder if Cheney was able to see EXACTLY how this program is being used now if he would change his mind?


34 posted on 06/16/2013 12:02:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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As I said on another thread, after this NSA support (and the Syria/McCain support) along with the reminder that Cheney took a swipe at Sarah AND endorsed RINOe Dewhurst over Ted Cruz....Cheney's fallen way down the ladder/pedestal I had him on.

He says he "doesn't much care for" 0, though.

35 posted on 06/16/2013 12:02:32 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jane Long

I have to agree with you. I had him up on a high pedestal as well. But he’s falling quickly.


36 posted on 06/16/2013 12:03:29 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

He’s just plain old.


37 posted on 06/16/2013 12:04:07 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: RoosterRedux
Obama is the one putting the mosques beyond the eyes of the intel apparatus

But he inherited that from Bush, who put Islam above all other religions.

38 posted on 06/16/2013 12:04:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Yes but I think Obama has taken his Muslim loving ways to a whole new level.


39 posted on 06/16/2013 12:05:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
Whatever the program was, when he was in charge has been CHANGED and EXPANDED.

Sorry but the surveillance was wrong then and it's wrong now.

40 posted on 06/16/2013 12:05:42 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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The program was reauthorized by Obama, the same Obama who was critical of it when Bush used it. At that point Obama owned it.


41 posted on 06/16/2013 12:05:47 PM PDT by South40
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To: ConservativeMan55

WY is usually right, but Dick Cheney is wrong a good bit.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:24 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: ConservativeMan55
I’m having a hard time with this one. I felt like I trusted Cheney.

I do think he is a patriot. In fact, I worked for DOD when he was Defense Secretary and you could see the positive effects of his leadership even down where I was.

But as I said, he lacks historical perspective. Every new government power should be weighed against the question "what would Hitler do with this power?"

I want him to be right, and as someone who graduated from the same High School he did, being critical is hard for me. He is the highest ranking official to ever come from Wyoming.
43 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:31 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Twotone
We can no longer afford to trust our government...AT ALL on ANYTHING!

Well that is gift that we have received from Obama.

But in the case of the NSA you have to be careful what you ask for. In this case your view would lead to the cancellation of the PRISM program. No more snooping on foreign phone calls to the U.S.

Are you sure that's what you want? It really is an all or nothing choice.

44 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:50 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: ConservativeMan55

All he’s saying is Obama inherited the NSA surveillance program, right?

Why in God’s name are all these freakin R’s giving Obama & Co. cover ?


45 posted on 06/16/2013 12:11:22 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: InterceptPoint

If it’s an all or nothing choice, I’ll take ALL. Quite obviously all this wonderful surveillance capability did nothing to stop Boston or Major Hassan. We’d be safer if we just stopped letting Muslims into the country, deported those who are not yet citizens & got out of sticking our noses in the Mideast. If they bother us again, nuke Mecca!


46 posted on 06/16/2013 12:11:35 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I understand and I still have moments when I actually believe anything they say. Then I come back to reality and the two card monte theater that is our political reality.


47 posted on 06/16/2013 12:13:36 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: nickcarraway
Bush was soft on islam but as late as 2009 CAIR was still accusing the FBI of planting spies in U.S. mosques.

Obama has taken mosques off the target list entirely.

48 posted on 06/16/2013 12:15:42 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Theodore R.

FYI, neither Cheney nor Allan Simpson are native sons as neither was born in Wyoming.


49 posted on 06/16/2013 12:16:50 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: ConservativeMan55
I think he’s living off the grid. But Cheney’s not stupid. He HAS to know why people are upset.

I am very disappointed in Cheney. He knows clearly what is going on. Almost all the elites of both parties care most about one thing -- State Power.

The American people have an absolute right to know if the NSA is doing a massive sweep and storage of electronic data.

This goes to the core of what it means to be a free people.

So much data in the hands of corruptible men can only lead to one thing -- a totalitarian police state.

Regardless of how anyone views Snowden, the American deserve to know if their government is violating our fundamental Constitutional rights.

50 posted on 06/16/2013 12:17:22 PM PDT by sand88
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