Skip to comments.Vanity: Disappointed in Cheney
Posted on 06/16/2013 11:38:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
After watching former Vice President Dick Cheney I'm very disappointed.
He defended the NSA Surveillance Program by saying he started it in 2004.
But what Cheney fails to realize is.. he and George W. Bush are NOT in office anymore.
Whatever the program was, when he was in charge has been CHANGED and EXPANDED.
Obama is now in charge and Cheney is out of the national security loop. How can he defend this program?
I love Dick Cheney but this is beyond the pale!
Plus he’s also advocating intervention in Syria and saying “John McCain has it about right?”
Another rich guy who thinks Obama’s America is no big deal. He’ll never suffer because of it, why should he be worried?
Things have changed alot in 5 years, most of all the attitude of the executive branch towards the American people. Perhaps Cheney, dealing with health problems and living outside the beltway, is not fully aware of this.
He’s not a part of the government now.. so how can he defend what’s going on NOW?
He has no clue what information they are collecting now.
I think he’s living off the grid. But Cheney’s not stupid. He HAS to know why people are upset.
There is no "Democrat".
There is no "Republican".
There is no "Hard Left".
There is no "Hard Right".
Of course, not everyone gets along, and Cheney may not really like Obama, or Boehner, or whomever -- but Cheney believes that Washington should run your life. Bush believes that. McCain believes that. Obama believes that. Valerie Jarrett believes that.
There is a reasonable chance that Sarah Palin does not believe that -- which is probably why the entire political class zipped into overdrive to make sure that she had no role in national government at all. They crushed her double-quick.
Because the Political Establishment want to control your entire life. You are not allowed to rise to the top (and Cheney was at the top for decades) unless you think that way.
Neither are on your side, or ever have been.
The problem is not the program. The problem is the current occupant of the WH and his staff. In the corrupt hands of people like this, any and all programs will be misused.
Insiders and former insiders appear to be too close to the situation and too biased by their idea of how thing used to work to see the BIG picture (to see Obama for the corrupt liar he is and to see the coup taking place before their very eyes).
Very clever on the part of the Commies...in fact, clever to an almost Satanic level of smoothness.
Or maybe he’s just being realistic. Since the NSA was founded they’ve done what they want when they want with very little if any actual supervision. They were no cleaner when he and Bush were in the White House than they are now. Any organization that has the job of collecting secrets will never be under the control of people with public lives that fear secrets being revealed.
Exactly I’ll agree with you on that.
But as long as you have the program.. there’s a chance it will be misused.
Are you willing to sacrifice liberty for freedom?
He worked for Nixon, then he was Chief of Staff for Ford. Then he was Secretary of Defense for Bush 41. If you worked for those people, you probably hate conservatives.
Did you hear what Rep Steve King said on Glenn Beck Friday?
He said many Democrat political organizations KNEW about Conservative political organizations. They could tell them who they were emailing, what they were looking at online, etc.
Obama’s taken the program and used it for his own political power.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.---George Washington
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding Palin.
You will find many, many supporters for that position here on FR. But not me.
Cheney is no angel but compared to the vast majority of Republicans and all Democrats he still looks good to me. As a test, name all the Republicans who are more trustworthy than Cheney. For most Freepers that is very short list. Sarah, Ted and the no longer with us Ronald and a couple others and that's it. All the rest are just lumped together and thrown under the bus and that includes Cheney and Bush.
That's a formula for a Perfect Storm in 2014 and 2016 - if you're a Democrat.
I’m disappointed in him. But I wish he could see what we see.
Obama is the one putting the mosques beyond the eyes of the intel apparatus. He is the one saying that our enemies are not jihadis but patriots. He is the one eliminating the linkage between islam and terrorism. He is the one installing John Brennan, muslim, as DCI.
Obama is the one who has redefined the enemy as conservatives, patriots, Christians, and Jews.
I’ve always respected Cheney as a man who was straight-forward and spoke honestly. I’ve found that people who are naturally honest expect honesty from others. Perhaps its just too engrained in him that the government is there to protect and not do harm. Unfortunately, he needs to come to grips with reality. We can no longer afford to trust our government...AT ALL on ANYTHING!
He's been saying he's for a more powerful executive branch for years. What do you think he meant by that?
Would you really want him to say, "I've always been for a powerful, intrusive spying apparatus at home and abroad, but I'm going to renounce this and attack Obama for purely political reasons?" Would that make you happy?
Are you smart enough to understand that King was only telling half the story?
It’s time for you to understand what Hoover figured out nearly a hundred years ago: knowledge is power, but don’t forget to stroke the ego. These kind of agencies do whatever they want, and part of what they want is to do “favors” for whoever thinks they’re in charge, it keeps them happy and malleable, it’s the carrot. Of course you also have pictures of them doing bad things, so there’s the stick. Anybody that doesn’t get in the NSA’s way will get information from this program. Obama, Bush, King, Cheney. It’s the carrot.
I would hope that he would understand that.. Obama has lost all cred among the American public.
So how could he, Obama, be trusted with this information?????
Its probably true, then, that Cheney feels loyalty towards the ruling elite.
Perhaps, once you’re that high up in government and are able to see ALL the threats.. it makes you think differently.
But at the same time.. we should not be sacrificing liberty for safety.
Uh, with all due respect Mr. Cheney, will the guys be able to have bullets when they go to intervene?/s kind of.
When Cheney says it’s ok to intervene, will the brains behind the oval office do the opposite or will they go halfway out like in the Stan...with limited rules of engagement. Al Qaeda target practice. I need a cigarette.
I’m having a hard time with this one. I felt like I trusted Cheney.
He may have been trustworthy. But the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is absolutely NOT to be trusted with anything.
Cheney works for the same guys as Obama does.
It’ll be like lobbing bombs at an Aspirin factory.
Cheney needs to talk to Jim Sensenbrenner. The senator believes the eavesdropping program has been perverted all beyond its original form.
I always felt like Cheney was concerned about keeping us safe.
But this is insanity. Can’t have the government with this much power.
I wonder if Cheney was able to see EXACTLY how this program is being used now if he would change his mind?
He says he "doesn't much care for" 0, though.
I have to agree with you. I had him up on a high pedestal as well. But he’s falling quickly.
He’s just plain old.
But he inherited that from Bush, who put Islam above all other religions.
Yes but I think Obama has taken his Muslim loving ways to a whole new level.
Sorry but the surveillance was wrong then and it's wrong now.
The program was reauthorized by Obama, the same Obama who was critical of it when Bush used it. At that point Obama owned it.
WY is usually right, but Dick Cheney is wrong a good bit.
Well that is gift that we have received from Obama.
But in the case of the NSA you have to be careful what you ask for. In this case your view would lead to the cancellation of the PRISM program. No more snooping on foreign phone calls to the U.S.
Are you sure that's what you want? It really is an all or nothing choice.
All he’s saying is Obama inherited the NSA surveillance program, right?
Why in God’s name are all these freakin R’s giving Obama & Co. cover ?
If it’s an all or nothing choice, I’ll take ALL. Quite obviously all this wonderful surveillance capability did nothing to stop Boston or Major Hassan. We’d be safer if we just stopped letting Muslims into the country, deported those who are not yet citizens & got out of sticking our noses in the Mideast. If they bother us again, nuke Mecca!
I understand and I still have moments when I actually believe anything they say. Then I come back to reality and the two card monte theater that is our political reality.
Obama has taken mosques off the target list entirely.
FYI, neither Cheney nor Allan Simpson are native sons as neither was born in Wyoming.
I am very disappointed in Cheney. He knows clearly what is going on. Almost all the elites of both parties care most about one thing -- State Power.
The American people have an absolute right to know if the NSA is doing a massive sweep and storage of electronic data.
This goes to the core of what it means to be a free people.
So much data in the hands of corruptible men can only lead to one thing -- a totalitarian police state.
Regardless of how anyone views Snowden, the American deserve to know if their government is violating our fundamental Constitutional rights.
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