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Vanity: Disappointed in Cheney

Posted on 06/16/2013 11:38:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

After watching former Vice President Dick Cheney I'm very disappointed.

He defended the NSA Surveillance Program by saying he started it in 2004.

But what Cheney fails to realize is.. he and George W. Bush are NOT in office anymore.

Whatever the program was, when he was in charge has been CHANGED and EXPANDED.

Obama is now in charge and Cheney is out of the national security loop. How can he defend this program?

I love Dick Cheney but this is beyond the pale!


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To: ConservativeMan55

The program was reauthorized by Obama, the same Obama who was critical of it when Bush used it. At that point Obama owned it.


41 posted on 06/16/2013 12:05:47 PM PDT by South40
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To: ConservativeMan55

WY is usually right, but Dick Cheney is wrong a good bit.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:24 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: ConservativeMan55
I’m having a hard time with this one. I felt like I trusted Cheney.

I do think he is a patriot. In fact, I worked for DOD when he was Defense Secretary and you could see the positive effects of his leadership even down where I was.

But as I said, he lacks historical perspective. Every new government power should be weighed against the question "what would Hitler do with this power?"

I want him to be right, and as someone who graduated from the same High School he did, being critical is hard for me. He is the highest ranking official to ever come from Wyoming.
43 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:31 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Twotone
We can no longer afford to trust our government...AT ALL on ANYTHING!

Well that is gift that we have received from Obama.

But in the case of the NSA you have to be careful what you ask for. In this case your view would lead to the cancellation of the PRISM program. No more snooping on foreign phone calls to the U.S.

Are you sure that's what you want? It really is an all or nothing choice.

44 posted on 06/16/2013 12:07:50 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: ConservativeMan55

All he’s saying is Obama inherited the NSA surveillance program, right?

Why in God’s name are all these freakin R’s giving Obama & Co. cover ?


45 posted on 06/16/2013 12:11:22 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: InterceptPoint

If it’s an all or nothing choice, I’ll take ALL. Quite obviously all this wonderful surveillance capability did nothing to stop Boston or Major Hassan. We’d be safer if we just stopped letting Muslims into the country, deported those who are not yet citizens & got out of sticking our noses in the Mideast. If they bother us again, nuke Mecca!


46 posted on 06/16/2013 12:11:35 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I understand and I still have moments when I actually believe anything they say. Then I come back to reality and the two card monte theater that is our political reality.


47 posted on 06/16/2013 12:13:36 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: nickcarraway
Bush was soft on islam but as late as 2009 CAIR was still accusing the FBI of planting spies in U.S. mosques.

Obama has taken mosques off the target list entirely.

48 posted on 06/16/2013 12:15:42 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Theodore R.

FYI, neither Cheney nor Allan Simpson are native sons as neither was born in Wyoming.


49 posted on 06/16/2013 12:16:50 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: ConservativeMan55
I think he’s living off the grid. But Cheney’s not stupid. He HAS to know why people are upset.

I am very disappointed in Cheney. He knows clearly what is going on. Almost all the elites of both parties care most about one thing -- State Power.

The American people have an absolute right to know if the NSA is doing a massive sweep and storage of electronic data.

This goes to the core of what it means to be a free people.

So much data in the hands of corruptible men can only lead to one thing -- a totalitarian police state.

Regardless of how anyone views Snowden, the American deserve to know if their government is violating our fundamental Constitutional rights.

50 posted on 06/16/2013 12:17:22 PM PDT by sand88
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To: ConservativeMan55

If GOD says something different than what you want to hear will you be disappointed in HIM?


51 posted on 06/16/2013 12:19:22 PM PDT by woofie
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To: ConservativeMan55

Really you honestly think Chaney does not realize he is not in office?
Or out of the loop?


52 posted on 06/16/2013 12:20:57 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Twotone
If it’s an all or nothing choice, I’ll take ALL. Quite obviously all this wonderful surveillance capability did nothing to stop Boston or Major Hassan. We’d be safer if we just stopped letting Muslims into the country, deported those who are not yet citizens & got out of sticking our noses in the Mideast. If they bother us again, nuke Mecca!

The problem with that is that we don't know the details of the NSA work that could have led to the prevention of the Boston bomb attack.

Let me give you a plausible for-instance.

Let's say that NSA intercepted communications from Chechnya to the Bomber Brothers that mentioned one of the local Boston mosques. Assume that information was sent to the President with a request for his support for a wiretap on all communications to and from that Mosque. Assume Obama turned down the NSA request.

I find that possibility to be real since Obama won't allow Mosques to be wiretapped. You assume that the failure in Boston was due to a failure by NSA. What about the FBI? What about Obama?

Be careful. This a Baby and Bathwater choice that our enemies are salivating over. And the great majority of Dems as well. Be careful what you ask for.

53 posted on 06/16/2013 12:21:22 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: ConservativeMan55
He also said that Syria intervention should have been done ages ago...and that there needed to be some real plan about what to do.

And that just might bring things to the table.

54 posted on 06/16/2013 12:21:55 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: oldbrowser
The problem is the current occupant of the WH and his staff. In the corrupt hands of people like this, any and all programs will be misused

True of all Gov't programs.

It's not the NSA. It's the guy in charge that's the problem.

A country will reap what it sows when it votes.

55 posted on 06/16/2013 12:23:34 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ConservativeMan55
I see where Cheney is coming from but I believe Obama's method is way beyond what was allowed after 9-11. And the Dems fought the Repubs tooth and nail....over and over and over...just like quantanamo (sp??)

We've ALWAYS had surveillance and spies...from the Revolutionary War to the present.

56 posted on 06/16/2013 12:24:53 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ConservativeMan55
Whatever the program was, when he was in charge has been CHANGED and EXPANDED.

The manner in which you stated this implies certainty and a familiarity with the groundwork put in place during the Bush administration. What would you expect Cheney to do? He is not going to condemn something that he had a hand in implementing, lest he be exposed as a hypocrite. He is a politician first - patriot is somewhere long down the list.

57 posted on 06/16/2013 12:25:38 PM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Never fall in love with a politician. :-)


58 posted on 06/16/2013 12:27:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: RoosterRedux

No....The Dems went after the NSA during the Bush years...again and again and again...all part of the Bush bashing agenda


59 posted on 06/16/2013 12:28:26 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ConservativeMan55

I guess Cheny’s not immune to Obama’s blackmail, huh?


60 posted on 06/16/2013 12:30:18 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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