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Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas By Sebastian Anthony on May 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm 338 Comments
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Against all probability, a device that purports to use cold fusion to generate vast amounts of power has been verified by a panel of independent scientists. The research paper, which hasn’t yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion, and its potency: The cold fusion device being tested has roughly 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline. Even allowing for a massively conservative margin of error, the scientists say that the cold fusion device they tested is 10 times more powerful than gasoline — which is currently the best fuel readily available to mankind.
The device being tested, which is called the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat for short), was created by Andrea Rossi. Rossi has been claiming for the past two years that he had finally cracked cold fusion, but much to the chagrin of the scientific community he hasn’t allowed anyone to independently analyze the device — until now. While it sounds like the scientists had a fairly free rein while testing the E-Cat, we should stress that they still don’t know exactly what’s going on inside the sealed steel cylinder reactor. Still, the seven scientists, all from good European universities, obviously felt confident enough with their findings to publish the research paper.
As for what’s happening inside the cold fusion reactor, Andrea Rossi and his colleague Sergio Focardi have previously said their device works by infusing hydrogen into nickel, transmuting the nickel into copper and releasing a large amount of heat. While Rossi hasn’t provided much in the way of details — he’s a very secretive man, it seems — we can infer some knowledge from NASA’s own research into cold fusion. Basically, hydrogen ions (single protons) are sucked into a nickel lattice (pictured right); the nickel’s electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons; the nickel nuclei absorb these neutrons; the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons; and thus the nickel goes up in atomic number from 28 to 29, becoming copper.
This process, like the “conventional” fusion of hydrogen atoms into helium, produces a lot of heat. (See: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up.) The main difference, though, is that the cold fusion process (also known as LENR, or low energy nuclear reaction) produces very slow moving neutrons which don’t create ionizing radiation or radioactive waste. Real fusion, on the other hand, produces fast neutrons that decimate everything in their path. In short, LENR is fairly safe — safe enough that NASA dreams of one day putting a cold fusion reactor in every home, car, and plane. Nickel and hydrogen, incidentally, are much cheaper and cleaner fuels than gasoline.
As far as we can tell, the main barrier to cold fusion — as with normal fusion — is producing more energy than you put in. In NASA’s tests, it takes a lot more energy to fuse the nickel and hydrogen than is produced by the reaction. Rossi, it would seem, has discovered a secret sauce that significantly reduces the amount of energy required to start the reaction. As for what the secret sauce is, no one knows — in the research paper, the independent scientists simply refer to it as “unknown additives.” All told, the E-Cat seems to have a power density of 4.4×105 W/kg, and an energy density of 5.1×107 Wh/kg.
If Rossi and Focardi’s cold fusion technology turns out to be real — if the E-Cat really has 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline — then the world will change, very, very quickly. Stay tuned; we’ll let you know when — or if — the E-Cat passes peer review.
Now read: Nuclear power is our only hope, or, the greatest environmentalist hypocrisy of all time
Research paper: arXiv:1305.3913 - “Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device”
It’s time to take the mod’s advice and ignore you.
Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
Since you’re here on sufferance.....good idea.
And, as always, among the first words in the entire post is InTrade. More BS hunting for sucker money.
So post something constructive after the customers have gotten something useful from it. THEN it might be worth talking about. Until then, it's the same nonsense that you'e been posting here for several years. It was tedious back then. It's laughable now. PRODUCE, or just shut up until you do. I've never in my life seen so much self-congratulation and manufactured "excitement" from folks who haven't actually produced anything yet.
LOL....I could not have said it better....It's precisely how I see it now that I have read into the articles presented..
I probably should not have gotten myself into this argument as it purports to be chemistry based and I am far from competent in that field but what drew me in was the electrical aspect and that I can talk about...
If I understand this right, the device converts nickel to copper and in the process releases energy. I don't understand how this could be factual as I would have assumed that creating copper from nickel would consume energy and not release it. Copper has a boatload of electrons, so where did they come from? Certainly not the nickel?
And you can't just borrow electrons from the electron bank. (sarc) anyway.....the entire thing just does not compute with me. As a electrician I see electrons as energy and for many years during my career I attempted to control them and use them to do work, but I have never seen or heard of anyone creating them or taking them from one element and giving them to another or simply released without the aid of fission and it seems implausible that nickel would have enough electrons to release to create much copper at all if that were possible.
So the entire thing bugs me....from all of my (non-chemistry) perspectives and from the roots of common sense knowledge that released electrons are energy released yet the opposite is or should be true if you want to create copper from a electron deficient element...and all we as electricians do it get the electron to perform tricks for us by jumping from atom to atom by way of magnetism or chemistry.
So....If I just said something marginally insane, let me know because I have already said that I am not trained in physics or chemistry...But I am grounded in realville and common sense which may well not have a place in this conversation.
If I'm right about any of this, the secret sauce would have to have in it aluminum, Iron or silver or even gold, all rich in electrons.
And if aluminum oxide, or Iron, it would point to a exothermic reaction......or a glorified sparkler with a electric trigger. If not, I would think the reaction, if it creates copper, would require a lot of energy because of the need for electrons to make the copper...so where are they coming from?
If they come from the nickel, a large scale device would require a lot of nickel to convert to a small amount of copper..
So...to clear this up for me, I need to know what's in the secret sauce....that can trans mutate nickel into copper and have energy to spare....Secondly I would like to know why this fusion process cannot be identified in nature where all it takes is to plug it into a wall socket.
All questions and no answers forthcoming because it's a secret....So really, why bother even discussing it if all we can do is form questions that won't be answered.
Any reasonable person would have these questions or others, so in order to believe this as presented you need to have the same sort of faith that you apply to a religion. Not a science. And there is the problem in a nutshell.
So post something constructive after the customers have gotten something useful from it.
***If the customers were sold a pig in a poke, they’d be hollering right now, doncha think?
THEN it might be worth talking about. Until then, it’s the same nonsense that you’e been posting here for several years.
***You’re not getting it. This is INDependent VERification of Rossi’s device. And I haven’t posted a Rossi thread in more than a year prior to this independent verification.
WTF are you talking about?
All questions and no answers forthcoming because it’s a secret....So really, why bother even discussing it if all we can do is form questions that won’t be answered.
***Everyone has those questions, just like the same kind of people who contacted the Wright brothers after they flew the first time but didn’t sell an airplane for 5 years. Those people weren’t interested in buying airplanes, they were interested in stealing the secret because, if 2 bike mechanics could unlock it then surely the secret isn’t so difficult, right? Were the Wright brothers frauds?
Any reasonable person would have these questions or others, so in order to believe this as presented you need to have the same sort of faith that you apply to a religion. Not a science. And there is the problem in a nutshell.
***Why do you want to have such questions, anyways, if you do not accept the measurements as stated: 10,000X the energy density of gas. If you don’t accept the measurements from 7 independent scientists, why bother asking further? Do you accept these simple measurements?
Questions not permitted, just believe Power In-Power Out and Independent Verification, cheap energy for all, darkest Africa is going to light up and the world is saved!
All hail LENR!!!!
They're not independent of Rossi and if they did make this miraculous discovery, which would ensure fame for all of them, why won't they publish the report in a real journal or even present it at a cold fusion conference like ICCF18?
Sure....The measurements are not a issue with me. The issue is with the source that the measurements were taken on.
Anyone can measure fakery accurately. In fact it was the electrical measurements which I defended as likely accurate when I entered this fray....unfortunately for me...
Now I keep having to throw back the rocks you are throwing at me. One of us will tire of it, and I'll bet it's going to be me.
It’s time to take the mod’s advice and ignore you.
Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
Sure....The measurements are not a issue with me.
***Good to know.
Anyone can measure fakery accurately.
***That would make Rossi the best magician in history. How did he fake it?
If I knew, I’d tell you...
You are only creating circular arguments, none of which can be resolved because of the known unknowns....so you proceed on faith....I can’t or better said won’t do that when it concerns a new scientific development.
I would say “give it some time”. But apparently that has already been said years ago... so I’ll leave you with your faith, something that you have to feel rather than understand, and I will go to some other topic.
You are only creating circular arguments,
***Where? You accept these measurements; others in this thread do not. That puts you apart from them.
none of which can be resolved because of the known unknowns....so you proceed on faith....
***I proceed on the same set of facts that you have accepted, that the measurements are real. You say they’re fake. THAT is a faith position, not particularly viable in the light of the evidence of 7 independent scientists doing the measurements when Rossi wasn’t even there, all while a camera recorded everything.
After all, the Earth Mother suffers when her children prosper . . . right?
Libs are hypocrites. When they protest against oil companies, they get in their cars and drive to the protest. They’ll let this slide because they wanna have its benefits — they just don’t want others to have those benefits. They’re elitist in that way.
You say they’re fake.
***What I meant to say is that you say they accurately measure something that is fake.
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