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Vanity: Tom Coburn Facebook getting RIPPED for Gun Vote

Posted on 04/11/2013 9:16:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

Coburn voted with the rest of the RINOS!

Check out the OUTRAGE on his Facebook page! WOW!









TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: coburn; guncontrol; rino; secondamendment
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To: newheart
So a simple vote of the Senate and House can overturn the 2nd amendment? Seems the right thing to do is to prevent the vote, rather than leave it up to the chance of a vote.

By suggesting that the 2nd amendment can be 'modified' by a simple law, it is indeed overturned totally, since the 'make no law' part would be null and void.

51 posted on 04/11/2013 10:14:35 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke

Well put!


52 posted on 04/11/2013 10:16:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: RinaseaofDs
The framers surely couldn’t foresee that the USG would have better technology than the average guy.

Personally I am inclined to think that anything the government has should be available to the citizenry.

However, every once in a while I think it is important to get the supporters and the opponents of the Constitution on the record. This debate can do that.

53 posted on 04/11/2013 10:17:43 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Is there anything worse than voting for a bill that hasn't been read, like Obamacare?

YES

Voting to proceed on a gun bill that hasn't even been WRITTEN!

54 posted on 04/11/2013 10:17:54 AM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: JPG

Exactly!


55 posted on 04/11/2013 10:19:23 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: AlmaKing

Yep, we just went from NO! to ‘I dunno, maybe’.


56 posted on 04/11/2013 10:21:17 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: slowhandluke
So a simple vote of the Senate and House can overturn the 2nd amendment?

Well, no, not if they close their eyes and pretend that's not what's going on, and if the MSM incessantly broadcast that everything's OK. Who you gonna believe, Chrissy Matthews or your own lying eyes?

Kidding aside, yes, we have reached the point where American politicians think they're gods. I don't get the sense that the public anger is even registered inside the Beltway. This one's an express train headed straight for a brick wall and all we see in the media is Joe Biden tooting the whistle and grinning like the fool he is.

57 posted on 04/11/2013 10:21:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AlmaKing

Yeah the explanation of someones vote being some grand master strategy (which never seems to work) is wearing a little thin with me.


58 posted on 04/11/2013 10:25:06 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: ConservativeMan55

He doesn’t care... obviously. He’s busy hanging out with his NEW friends.


59 posted on 04/11/2013 10:26:16 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: crusadersoldier

Me too!!


60 posted on 04/11/2013 10:27:02 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: newheart

Same line of thinking that led people to conclude that surely the SCOTUS would vote to kill Obamacare.

You are living in a post-Constitutional USA anyway. There are no more checks and balances, so, no, I don’t think the debate has any useful purpose whatsoever.

I think we stand a 30 percent chance of not making it to the next Presidential election as it stands.


61 posted on 04/11/2013 10:27:28 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

I agree. Called Coburns office in Washington DC and expressed my frustration


62 posted on 04/11/2013 10:31:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: fwdude

Bump


63 posted on 04/11/2013 10:32:56 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: dirtboy
He promised to only serve two Senate terms. He apparently is serving one too many. He finally succumbed to Beltway Flu.

He's gone native.

64 posted on 04/11/2013 10:33:41 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Didn’t Coburn cave on some other leftist nonsense recently?


65 posted on 04/11/2013 10:35:03 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: newheart

Bull!


66 posted on 04/11/2013 10:38:04 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: fwdude

Yes. On the bailouts and recent budget issues...


67 posted on 04/11/2013 10:39:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: crusadersoldier

Amen to that! “We’re going to get all these guys on record.” Blah blah blah. Meanwhile, our rights are taken away. Maybe it works to get Coburn elected but our rights and prosperity are still lost.


68 posted on 04/11/2013 10:41:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Bttt


69 posted on 04/11/2013 10:44:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: RinaseaofDs
Same line of thinking that led people to conclude that surely the SCOTUS would vote to kill Obamacare.

As someone who lost a lucrative job in the wake of the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare, I am angry. But I am not angry enough to tear down the whole system and try to start over. That is precisely what the Left wants to do and in their hyper-emotionalism, too many on the Right are playing into that possibility. That end will not be pretty.

The debate still has validity. And, I seriously doubt we will see damage to the 2nd amendment because of a healthy debate. And Congress does not have the authority to change the amendment anyway.

70 posted on 04/11/2013 10:46:04 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: newheart

What’s to debate???


71 posted on 04/11/2013 10:49:05 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ColdOne

bttt


72 posted on 04/11/2013 11:06:22 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: newheart

“Good grief. You would think he voted to confiscate everything from kitchen knives to every imaginable automatic weapon. He only voted to prevent a filibuster because it is high time we had this debate on the floor of the Senate so the real totalitarian gun grabbers will have come out of the closet. Coburn is as solid a supporter of 2nd amendment rights as you will find and suggestions to the contrary are simply a means for low-information voters to self-select.”

That’s nuts. Once it gets to the floor, anything can happen and none of it will be good. The house majority is very weak on this issue—I think some gun control bill will pass the house. Then it goes to conference, where infinite mischief can occur. Too much strategery there. Just block this awful bill however you can. Get clever on something else.


73 posted on 04/11/2013 11:14:34 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Agreed!


74 posted on 04/11/2013 11:15:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

I am so disgusted with these piles in our government. I am glad they are getting what fer on facebook.


75 posted on 04/11/2013 11:23:54 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

The Coburn of 2004 would have never voted for this garbage!!!!


76 posted on 04/11/2013 11:27:15 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

I just don’t understand how the left is getting away with this. I mean I know why...by WHY?

What is it going to take to end them killing this country?


77 posted on 04/11/2013 11:28:58 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

bttt


78 posted on 04/11/2013 11:34:27 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: newheart
-- Coburn is as solid a supporter of 2nd amendment rights as you will find ... --

If he is, and I don't believe he is, he's not showing it by explaining his action or by stating his opposition to more federal gun restrictions. I've never heard of him voicing an inclination to repeal the Lautenberg amendment, for example.

And assuming the feds have plenary power of RKBA and 2nd amendment issues, why doesn't he propose a federal law that forbids states to pass magazine size limitations? I mean if the feds can restrict, they can also limit restrictions.

79 posted on 04/11/2013 11:41:30 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Limiting restrictions is precisely what he is trying to do in his amendments to the Manchin Toomey Proposal.

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?ContentRecord_id=32059262-90bd-4cb8-a203-5b18532c4496&ContentType_id=d741b7a7-7863-4223-9904-8cb9378aa03a&Group_id=7a55cb96-4639-4dac-8c0c-99a4a227bd3a


80 posted on 04/11/2013 11:48:25 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: newheart
-- Limiting restrictions is precisely what he is trying to do in his amendments to the Manchin Toomey Proposal. --

I meant limiting restrictions relative to current law, not limiting restrictions relative to Toomey-Manchin. I read the press release, and all I see is that Coburn proposes to make NICS available to the general public.

81 posted on 04/11/2013 12:05:12 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: newheart

“But I am not angry enough to tear down the whole system and try to start over. That is precisely what the Left wants to do and in their hyper-emotionalism, too many on the Right are playing into that possibility. That end will not be pretty.”

You are where I was four years ago.

It’s already over.

Adams called it, “Liberty, once lost, cannot be recovered.”

It’s the lesson of 6000 years of government that the founders tried to pass on to us.

Franklin observed that once we learned we could vote ourselves any thing we wanted from out of the public purse, then we were toast.

This is already done, the ending will not be pretty, and it never is.

Jaques Barzun has a book about the last 500 years of civilization, and the cycle of ‘disatisfaction, revolution, disillusionment’. We’re just going to be another historical footnote, like the Soviet Union was.

The better military and communications technology gets, the shorter the runs between the cycles get. It’s actually funny to watch Putin ridiculing us for making the same mistakes the Soviets did.

What Putin is trying to do in Russia is balance private property rights with a dictatorship.

You can’t get a little bit pregnant, though, and to have a free enterprise system you need the freedom of the press, durable property rights, and the right to assembly.

It’s like fire, take one of these out, and no fire, no economy.

Durable property rights mean the enforcement of contracts in impartial courts of law. When Obama screwed the bondholders at GM, that went out the window for good. The Europeans are about to find out what happens when you confiscate savings out of bank accounts.

Press allows you to say what you need to in order to find needs and fill them. Assembly allows you to gather the talent you need together in order to fill that need.

It takes a while for a ship this size to sink, but you can measure the amount of water in the bilges already - 90,000,000 out of the workforce, with the unemployment rate dropping.

The only way the rate can drop is for people to run out of benefits and the number of new jobs to be consistently below 350,000, which is essentially the new jobs replacement rate.

California is now systematically putting its municipalities into Chapter 9, which busts the pension contracts. I had a neighbor retire up here in WA state with a pension from the city of Stockton.

His checks stopped coming, and he just sold his house and moved down to be near his kids in Arizona. He’s 68, and she’s 65 - bye, bye.

Both have college educations. They were members of the country club up here, and golfed every day. He worked in the planning department down there.

Wait until these pensions start blowing up in earnest here in 2014 and 2015. There’s a reason why DHS is stocking up on ammo, body bags, and armored cars.

My brother’s in a job down there that would have him making about $150,000/year in retirement. Congressman, right?

Nope. He inspects sewer line construction for the sanitation district down in NorCal.


82 posted on 04/11/2013 12:09:44 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
You are where I was four years ago.

That is a lot to think about. Thanks for a very well articulated reply. History is full of examples where something (relatively) good winds up being replaced with evil. The Left has, much to the surprise of many, been patient in this fight and done exactly what Kruschev told us would happen. Alinsky, among others, provided the roadmap.

Like David Horowitz regularly points out, the Left has nothing to replace the social orders they destroy. That is why I am reluctant to take a "tear it all down" approach myself. I see little good coming from that and I tend to believe that we may see better results by sticking with the system. It is admittedly broken and in desperate need of repair. But destruction will not simply be the end of the system, it will be the end of millions of lives. History is pretty clear about that as well.

83 posted on 04/13/2013 6:06:00 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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