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Boy, 11, and his mother are arrested after he 'raped his 6-year-old sister'...
mailonline ^ | Hayley Peterson

Posted on 03/12/2013 8:17:06 PM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Boy, 11, and his mother are arrested after he 'raped his 6-year-old sister' and the mother failed to report the alleged assault

An 11-year-old Oklahoma boy and his mother have been arrested after the boy allegedly raped his 6-year-old sister and the mother failed to report the incident, according to authorities.

Police made the arrests on Friday afternoon after an Oklahoma Department of Human Services worker received a tip about the alleged assault and interviewed family members.

The 6-year-old girl told the human services worker that she was in her bedroom doing homework on Wednesday when her brother and a 7-year-old cousin asked her to pull her pants off, according to a police report obtained by MailOnline.

The girl said after her pants were off, both of the boys 'put their things in her and it hurt,' the police report states. The victim added that her mother told her not to tell anyone about the incident.

MailOnline is not naming any of the suspects or witnesses in order to protect the identity of the victim.

When the DHS worker confronted the mother, she admitted that she did not take the girl to the hospital or report the incident. The mother said she spoke to her son about the incident and he told her it was his younger cousin who assaulted her daughter.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: childrape; moralabsolutes; oklahoma; rape
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To: stuartcr
Sounds relative

Indeed, it is.

51 posted on 03/13/2013 8:18:56 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: stuartcr

Well, you can always scroll past my commentary if you wish. Others - especially those in bad situations currently - usually appreciate knowing they can talk to someone who does know...

I am not ashamed of what happened to me, nor to my daughters. It wasn’t our fault, and if I didn’t speak out and share my experiences it wouldn’t stop the abuse, it would help to shove these problems back under the rug where they were for so long...


52 posted on 03/13/2013 1:09:49 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

ok


53 posted on 03/13/2013 1:34:12 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: AustinBill
See my post #7... just FTR:
I’m guessing (from known statistics) that their father is either not in the home, or is estranged, etc...

I didn't even bother asking the question, he wasn't mentioned, so I figured it was a safe assumption.

The root causes definitely matter... As does the reaction of a parent who discovers such abuse is going on, but is yet willing to cover it up - whether the parent is single, or not.
54 posted on 03/13/2013 2:19:26 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: tinamina

You are most certainly welcome. I’m glad my sharing with you may be able to help in some way. I’ll keep your family in my prayers, for sure. Give your sister a giant hug, and tell her to stay strong. Mothers are not always the one to blame, and sometimes things definitely happen without us knowing about it... I don’t know any mother that is absolutely omniscient.

I don’t honestly know where some of these very young boys get these thoughts - they are so very young... Especially in the case you’re talking about where there wasn’t a big age difference.

In the case above, as well as the one I’m familiar with it was pretty easy to see that the older child was acting in more of a “ringleader” type position, and a child at the age of 7 may go along with things they would never think of, or contemplate doing on their own... I feel sorry for both of the younger children involved, and hope there is a way for the older boy to be rehabilitated.

Anyway, my best wishes to you and your family. I know the pain of estrangement all too well. {{Hugs}}


55 posted on 03/13/2013 2:28:01 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (By speaking out one is no longer a victim, they are then a survivor...)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but a 7 yr old & 11 yr old doing these things suggests either poor parenting or the possibility they had been victimized.

Yep... I used to believe that it was definitely a sign of prior victimization of (at least) the older child. However, in reading over the years that the boys most likely to have these issues are raised in a home with no father, or where they are estranged from the father for some reason (even if there is a step-father in the picture). Depending on any other possible behaviors the older one exhibits it could be either, or even both.
56 posted on 03/13/2013 2:35:19 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (By speaking out one is no longer a victim, they are then a survivor...)
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To: varyouga

You’re wrong, imo... This is not typical playing doctor. If it were just the 6 and 7 year old, I might agree with you (w/out the penetration part, of course) - as I agree that society is almost going around the bend as far as “zero tolerance” and the normal happenings between girls and boys at that age who are too innocent to know.

However, in this case you have an 11-year-old who is obviously old enough, to complete the act of rape, and definitely old enough to “direct” the interaction of the other child.

As horrible as it may seem, it’s a fact, and it happens more often than people want to know... Talk to a few law enforcement officers if you have any doubts. The records are usually all sealed in cases like this, but many are quite as devastating as the ones where the details all become public knowledge...


57 posted on 03/13/2013 2:43:09 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (By speaking out one is no longer a victim, they are then a survivor...)
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To: stuartcr
Prurient interests are noble...aren’t they?

Interesting choice of words... "Prurient Interests"??? Really? You find this discussion somehow sexually arousing, or it causes lustful desires in you? Wow... That choice of wording says way more about you than those discussing the topic at hand, that's for sure.

Perhaps you really should just stay off these types of threads then. Or perhaps you need to seek help. Nothing about this thread should provoke sexually arousing thoughts, nor lustful desires in anyone - if you feel that it does then I suggest you find a psychologist. Those feelings are not normal, I assure you of that.
58 posted on 03/13/2013 2:50:05 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks
Do you somehow perceive that this girl will find greater happiness with her mother in jail, and her brother in some other home?

Truly this is the worst possible outcome for her.

59 posted on 03/13/2013 2:50:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Honestly, the worst possible outcome would have been for the abuse to continue. I am not a fan of splitting up families, but the mother has failed her daughter by telling her to keep the secret. I praise the older sister for knowing the right thing to do.

Do I think it’s possible she will find more happiness if the abuse has been stopped? I believe she has a far greater chance to. As for her mother being in jail, that will be up to a judge to decide, and the judge knows many more facts than we do.

In regard to her 11-year-old brother? I wholeheartedly believe that it is right for him to be held responsible for his actions. If it had been kept a secret - especially at his age, especially knowing that there are adults that would cover for him - he would be way more likely to continue the assaults, and perhaps branch out to other victims as he continues to age. I hope that now he gets the help that he needs to stop his abusive behavior, and learn proper behavior instead.

It appears pretty clear to me that they all need a lot of help, frankly. I’m a fan of reunification of families that have “lost their way” so to speak for various reasons. However, not if that reunification puts a victim at more risk of abuse or retribution for doing the right thing - which was to tell.


60 posted on 03/13/2013 3:02:15 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

The brother will not be held responsible for his actions; that much I know for sure. That is no longer the ‘American way.’


61 posted on 03/13/2013 3:29:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: tinamina

tinamina said: “There is such a thing as false memory.
Now I’m wondering if I am wrong in my thinking.”

Here’s a link to an article regarding the McMartin preschool trial. My recollection from the time of the trial and afterward is that there was great scepticism created regarding the creation of false memories by over-zealous prosecutors.

Knowing of the many cases in which false confessions have been coerced from adult defendants, I can readily believe that prosecutors would use unacceptable means to get children to describe non-existent abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial


62 posted on 03/13/2013 9:01:00 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

Thanks for your info. The McMartin case is particularly informative. The “memories” sound more like dreams than reality, with the flying and flushing of toilets etc.
I kind remember this trial having been a CA resident at the time.


63 posted on 03/13/2013 10:46:59 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: LibertyRocks

It would seem that some folks, even on Free Republic more interested in ensuring that the abuse the victims suffer by refusing to allow discussion of the crimes committed against them as opposed to exposing such wickedness to the light so that the victim may be cared for and the abusers punished.


64 posted on 03/14/2013 6:21:28 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: LibertyRocks

As you well know, that comment was directed towards #6. If you don’t think that some threads arouse prurient interests in some people, then you are very naive.


65 posted on 03/14/2013 7:02:27 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Altariel

I agree with your observation. It’s quite sad to say the least. Those are the attitudes that caused so many to suffer quietly in decades past. I refuse to be shamed, and I refuse to stay silent... Doing so only gives abusers more power. I have to wonder sometimes why some people are so vehemently opposed to discussions, then take time to post passive-aggressive statements, and then pretend they have not done so. Frankly, the behavior reminds me an awful lot of how abusers themselves attempt to control and manipulate society against their victims, and unfortunately, it even occurs among victims who have not dealt with their own abuse issues...

Anyway, thanks for your post. I’m glad I’m not the only one who recognizes how backwards that seems. As if a problem can be solved by simply pretending it doesn’t exist, and that if someone is committed to attempting to solving problems and educating others is somehow wallowing in the gutter, or glorifying the behavior. That’s what’s really twisted, imo.


66 posted on 03/14/2013 1:12:53 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: stuartcr; Windflier

If you and Windflier wished to have a private discussion, and didn’t want others to express their opinions to you in regard to that dialogue then why did you not avail yourself of FReepmail?

I am far from naive. You and windflier were speaking on this thread. Reading through your exchange it is rather hard not to see the opinions you two share of the subject at hand.

For you to even suggest that these are prurient interests, and that people here are pursuing discussion about them as “a purient interest” that people consider “noble”, shows a severe lack of understanding, and dare I say, that attitude is more naive and offensive than anything I, or others have said.

Any person who is sexually aroused, or has lustful thoughts when reading about or discussing the issue of child rape, and incest have deep-seated problems, and need psychological help. Failing to discuss these things would block any chance for people to recognize that such feelings and behaviors are very wrong.

I am anything but naive, sir. And I resent being accused of being such. I clearly stated that these are not prurient interests and that if someone is aroused by articles of this nature that it is a sign of problems within that person.

That is not a failure to recognize that some people do have those tendencies, on the contrary, it is acknowledging the problem and properly naming it for what it is - thoughts and feelings about which should cause the person experiencing them to recognize that the behavior is not normal. The dialogue between the two of you on this thread is quite disgraceful, frankly. No matter who your comments were directed towards.

Again, if you wish to have a private conversation, and think that others commenting on what you have posted in a public forum, and on a public thread is “butting in”, then avail yourself of the FReepmail system - that’s what it’s there for... That’s pure common sense, imo.


67 posted on 03/14/2013 1:38:32 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks
...if you wish to have a private conversation, and think that others commenting on what you have posted in a public forum, and on a public thread is “butting in”, then avail yourself of the FReepmail system

Grow up, kid, and find something worthy to expend all that energy against. I addressed someone directly in a public forum, and you chose to answer for her. That's your right, as it is my right to tell you to butt out.

I'm not interested in engaging you on this topic, or on the question I posed to the original poster.

68 posted on 03/14/2013 3:01:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: LibertyRocks

You need to relax


69 posted on 03/14/2013 4:00:14 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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