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6 Home Defense Carbines, 5 are NOT ARís
The Daily Caller ^ | March 15, 2012 | Michael Piccione

Posted on 12/26/2012 7:00:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s talk home defense.

First things first, shotguns are devastatingly powerful. Nothing can compare to the 12 gauge at close range. Even birdshot, which is still one mass of moving lead at close range, will tear a human to shreds. In my battery I have a Remington 870 and a bandoleer of slugs and buck ready to go for when the SHTF. You don’t lose much with a 20 gauge at close range either and you gain some agility with a smaller gun, and more family members are likely to respond better to the 20.

The second point I’d like to make is on handguns for home defense. Shoot the biggest cartridge you can handle.

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Hi-Point Carbine

This is the least expensive gun on the list with a suggested retail price of $285. You can get them in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. The added barrel length as a rule of thumb will add 300 feet per second making even a 9mm a good stopper and even better with +P loads. The specs on this gun make it a good home defense choice; 16.5” barrel, length 31” and it weighs 6.25 lbs. Now here is the rub, some folks flat out hate these guns. Others love them. I’m indifferent right now because I don’t have a lot of range time to make up my mind but that will change because my neighbor just got one...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Military/Veterans; Outdoors; Reference
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; selfdefense
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To: Goldsborough

Most caliber wars are fought for the pleasure of the participants. I don’t own any semi-automatic handguns. I shoot revolvers because I enjoy them more, and a defensive gun ought to be one you don’t have to think about. I’ve never felt undergunned in the night with my 7-shot 686+, or even my 6-shot single action guns.

All that said, the 9mm is a fine round and the guns that use it have a proven track record. I may carry a 5-shot J-frame, but 15+ rounds of 9mm is nothing to sneeze at. And the ammo is about the cheapest ammo you can buy commercially. That encourages lots of shooting...

The one time I’ve pulled a gun, it was a 22 that I happened to be carrying with me while hiking that day. I had probably shot 10,000+ rounds thru it, and I suspect part of the reason the 8 guys stopped trying to surround me was that there was something in my body language that said, “I won’t miss!” The familiarity of a fine gun in your hand that you’ve shot a few thousand times is a wonderful thing if you need to make 5 or even 15 shots get the job done.


41 posted on 12/26/2012 9:34:56 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article is wrong about needing the largest caliber pistol to stop an assialant... Serious studies of real shootings have show that an accurate shot with a lower caliber is just as likely to take down the bad guy. And - as the author pointed out with shotguns - a 20 ga. shotgun would be better handled of many people (smaller stature, less strong, etc.) and yet not lose much knock down at relatively close range versus a 12 ga....

The best defense caliber is one that does not cause the shooter to close their eyes, flinch or hesitate... Few people are accurate shooters in a sudden unexpected terrifying situation - adrenaling pumping, frightened, etc. So having many smaller caliber rounds - means in case of 9mm up to 14 rounds in a Browning HighPower... vs about 1/2 in a powerful .45 ir 357. I think any gun that hits where it is pointed by an average person because the recoil did not knock his/her arm and head back is the best most reliable defense. There is power in numbers... Note: .22 cal. killed Robert Kennedy and nearly killed Reagan ...


42 posted on 12/26/2012 9:51:02 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Good choice. My Dad used one in RVN. I have a ‘Maverick’ for the safety on the trigger guard, and an AT top-folding stock.
I believe if Martha Stewart recommended a ‘Home for the Holidays’ firearm, she would go for the boom-stick.


43 posted on 12/26/2012 9:57:08 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SVTCobra03

I have the Hi-Point 40 S&W and love it and when my alarm went off recently it came in very hand as I checked things out. I love the thing and it is like carrying a M-14 or M-16.


44 posted on 12/26/2012 10:00:56 PM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: OKSooner

I have a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9 mm and love it.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 10:02:24 PM PST by chrisinoc
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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46 posted on 12/26/2012 10:05:39 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: 353FMG
Walmart was out of 9mm this afternoon and so were other stores.

What’s going on?

My local Wall Mart has been out of 9mm since last Friday plus a bunch of other cals.
Looks like they haven't restocked since Friday.

47 posted on 12/26/2012 10:05:53 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

As a postscript, the 12 gauge has four times the muzzle energy of a .44 magnum, so ‘candycane’ slugs with 00 and you’re loaded for bear.


48 posted on 12/26/2012 10:06:17 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bkmk


49 posted on 12/26/2012 10:08:37 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: The Cajun
Wall Mart Walmart, Cajun typing without using brain again :)
50 posted on 12/26/2012 10:11:20 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: ICCtheWay

.22 LR is the preferred round for assassins, spies, hitmen, etc.


51 posted on 12/26/2012 10:13:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: chrisinoc

Browning High Power with fail safes....backed up by a 16 gauge semi auto loaded with 00 Buckshot. Won’t be any repeat visitors!

Can always patch drywall. No so easy to plug 2dozen chest leakers. Although I hope I never have use em!


52 posted on 12/26/2012 10:18:40 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: Terry L Smith

25 years ago when I patrolled,the .357 125 JHP was the Indiana State Police issue,but the revolvers were retired in favor of semi-autos in 9mm and then ,I think, switched to .40 sometime later.

.357 had the highest rating in terms of one-shot stops,

Politics won over ballistics in moving Americam miliatary and police from proven .45 and .357 to the European/NATO 9mm.

Copying Europe is not the best path for America;I thought THAT was decided in 1776 !


53 posted on 12/26/2012 11:02:27 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a Hi-Pointe 9mm carbine w/ATI furniture that I like...but I would not run +P through it. It would actually be my #2 choice in a home invasion scenario, after a shotgun (shotgun for guarding, then carbine; pistol for investigation).

The Hi-Pointe 9mm would be one I wouldn’t mind losing to an investigation, unlike the others. The SHTF weapons are just that...I wouldn’t waste the ammo on just one or two thugs.


54 posted on 12/27/2012 12:23:06 AM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: smokingfrog

“AR - be sure to have something like Hornady TAP ammo or maybe some frangible ammo for inside the house.”

Even with ball ammo the AR round will fragment fairly quickly. There’s a video on youtube of a guy testing the different rounds. The AR round broke after the second wall and completely fragmented after the third failing to penetrate a fourth wall.


55 posted on 12/27/2012 4:21:30 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: smokingfrog

...or anyone who lives in a neighborhood with small homes close together.


56 posted on 12/27/2012 4:21:47 AM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: smokingfrog

A couple of Mondays ago, a nameless friend bought a Sig Sauer M400 model (OD green Magpul) for $999. The same model is selling on GunBroker for almost $3000 now. The new gun hasn’t been out to the range yet, simply because cheap ammo is just about non-existent right now.


57 posted on 12/27/2012 4:31:18 AM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: SVTCobra03
I picked one up last year. I have a 9mm and love just shooting it, but I prefer the .45 for defense use. I have only shot it about 100 rounds. Not enough to break in the tube but at ranges to 50 yards the shots go right where I point. I would like to do some work on the trigger, but will have to wait till after some other projects.

I like shooting the carbines very much and have the .45 loaded and ready for home use.

58 posted on 12/27/2012 6:23:55 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: OKSooner

yep.

A buddy has this same gun chambered in 9mm...smooth little gun, and a pleasure to shoot.

I have seen the .45 version on guns america, etc...if you can get one of these for less than 500 bucks, get it.


59 posted on 12/27/2012 6:34:15 AM PST by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly .22 LR long barrel pistols or rifles can be equipped w ith home made siliencers (PVC pipe and fittings) ...make next to now noise - fairly accurate at near to medium range...

But back to large caliber weapons... no doubt a big .45. 50 or .357 / .44 magnum will knock down a bad guy - and he will probably stay down. Experienced and trained and in shape shooters can hit what they aim at with these ‘Make my Day’ guns... But most people in home defense situations are not of this cut. For home defense for most women I recommend one of the .410 shotguns with a pistol grip and as short a barrel as the law allows. Or one of the revolvers that shoots the .410 round ... both using big shot - not necessarily buck shot and certainly not bird shot.


60 posted on 12/27/2012 6:36:52 AM PST by ICCtheWay
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