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McGrath: There Is a Disaster Coming. Get Ready For It.
SHTF Plan ^ | 11/13/12 | Mac Salvo

Posted on 11/13/2012 9:37:39 PM PST by Kartographer

We’re talking about the potential for an absolute credit freeze that will make the situation in New York spread across this country almost overnight.

Ask yourself this question: Are you prepared to take care of yourself?

If you cannot answer that question with the affirmative it is time to stop just listening to alternative media and thinking of it as entertainment, but taking the advice seriously and considering if you have a plan to take care of yourself and loved ones if the situation arises.

Because if you look around this world, if you look at the mainstream media, they’re forewarning you about what’s coming.

There is a disaster coming. Get ready for it. Make sure you are mentally and physically prepared for what is coming.

(Excerpt) Read more at shtfplan.com ...


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To: Blueflag

Yeah, modern freezers have a “hot side” - one side that releases the heat - don’t cover that up.


51 posted on 11/14/2012 5:25:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

During the event, gold and cash will be useless.


52 posted on 11/14/2012 5:28:57 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: AlexW

You just enjoy yourself on your little island and don’t worry about the rest of us.

As for being overrun, you have no idea of what my defenseive posture is, or that of any other on this thread.


53 posted on 11/14/2012 5:32:28 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
The idea is that if you survive the event and people begin to rebuild, gold and silver will resume their time honored function as currency.

The central banks are still loading up on gold, and if you think they that run them don't have well appointed bunkers to ride out the storm, complete with well armed Wackenhut security, think again.

54 posted on 11/14/2012 5:46:17 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I don't know who you are or anything about you so I can say little about how prepared you are.

However, even not knowing that, I would far rather be stranded and knocking on JRF's front door looking for an assist than yours.

That boy has got some mad skills.

55 posted on 11/14/2012 6:24:22 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ('Need' now means wanting someone else's money. 'Greed' means wanting to keep your own...)
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To: pops88
I'd like to join Commander Riker in applauding your most excellent post:


56 posted on 11/14/2012 6:31:31 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Vendome

I got mad skills too and I’m a country boy with some Beechnut and a .45...

~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^

and country folk can survive ~! ( one of my fav Hank Jr songs )


57 posted on 11/14/2012 6:45:49 AM PST by simplesimon (NEVER forget Benghazi ~!)
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To: AlexW; Old Sarge; Bride Of Old Sarge; blam; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; JRandomFreeper

I am glad for you Alex and I truly harbor no ill will, but you show up on these threads telling us about your life and your choice, but it has no bearing on the subject unless you are advocating a vasts migration to you tropical island paradise and even you understand that’s not happening.

These threads are for the majority of us to work out plans to survive here. For many of us can’t move to live on the beach of some tropical paradise like you and many of us don’t care too.

You say you see no way to turn things around and I can see why you feel that way, but I for one won’t give up on a land seeped in the blood of my forefathers. I for one will stand.

Alex you many not know this, but there are somethings that gnaw on a man worse than dying and for me to cut and run on this country is one of those things.

I would hope you respect my choice as I respect yours, because in the end the battle is about choices and a man being free to make his.


58 posted on 11/14/2012 6:55:18 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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“How to power your house with your car and an inverter”
Here:
http://solar1234.com

He has a bunch of other stuff as well.


59 posted on 11/14/2012 6:55:39 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I can only assume you are right, he does have some skills.
Reading comprehension is not one of them, thus his insistence, not mine, that he and I have this little spat.


60 posted on 11/14/2012 6:57:01 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: appalachian_dweller

This assumes you know exactly what kind of upheaval will happen. You don’t. I’m sure your theories are all sound, but we never know exactly.

Cash may well be useless at some point, but probably not at first and certainly not in a mini crisis like Sandy, etc..

I doubt gold will ever be useless, as it has never been usless in any period of upheaval.

Then again, all one can do is prepare for all types of scenarios. Please read with a little more insight and analogy: for example our 48 ft boat (sold thanks to economy) had many emergency gadgets and supplies on board - we never assumed all will be needed or useful in all emergencies...but there is a reasonable list that reasonable people fill beforehand for reasonable assumptions.

That’s all.


61 posted on 11/14/2012 7:00:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: MomwithHope

He decided he did not want that, his choice....


62 posted on 11/14/2012 7:01:20 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: silverleaf

I live in a town like that.
Although I’ve wondered....if everyone goes into foreclosure - and the banks collapse.

“Who” will own the land? And will they allow us to squat on it.


63 posted on 11/14/2012 7:33:56 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: djf

64 posted on 11/14/2012 7:34:02 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Scotswife

well, either they let us squat and shelter and feed ourselves

or they shelter and feed us

or they let us die ...

unless we can escape to somewhere else, then start choices 1-2-3 again

pretty simple actually

Just been watching “World Without End” .... feudalism isn’t such a dead concept, is it?


65 posted on 11/14/2012 7:39:00 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Kartographer; MrB

Good info on the inverter. Can anyone explain how natural gas is delivered? I’ve got gas fireplaces, range, furnace and water heater. In ten years, we’ve only had one electricity outage (only for a couple hours due to a freak situation at a transformer.) but it was well below zero at the time. The furnace requires electricity to run the blower. We just turned the fireplaces on. However, in the case of a lengthy or widespread electric outage, would the gas be shut down as well?


66 posted on 11/14/2012 7:43:46 AM PST by philled (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: philled
However, in the case of a lengthy or widespread electric outage, would the gas be shut down as well?

I've wondered about this, too. If S truly does HTF, how long until underground gas lines are cut off?

67 posted on 11/14/2012 7:56:07 AM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: Jane Long

Gas is suppied via pipe lines and compressor and guess what the compressors run on? Right electricity!

Rolling blackouts in Texas effected New Mexico in 2011

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/environment/gas-and-electricity-affected-by-weather

http://newmexicoindependent.com/68766/gov-declares-state-of-emergency-due-to-gas-shortage-cold

And get this the colder the weather the harder the compressors must work.


68 posted on 11/14/2012 8:14:03 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: philled

Forgot to copy you.


69 posted on 11/14/2012 8:15:10 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Could u put me on your prep ping list...?


70 posted on 11/14/2012 8:18:35 AM PST by gaijin
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To: C. Edmund Wright; JRandomFreeper

Yer picking a fight with the wrong FReeper, *noob*.

I’ve read plenty of his posts on these prepper threads. Perhaps you should before shooting off your mouth again.

I’d sooner have him as a neighbor than about anyone else I can think of, including, likely, you.

*bitter old prune* my foot. Take the plank out of your own eye.


71 posted on 11/14/2012 8:26:45 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: djf
I expect internal casualties amongst looter types to be 80% or greater. And very quickly. Within the first ten days to two weeks.

Which helps us further out in the sticks.

After feeding on each other, they have to survive getting through a couple communities and the res and exposure to the elements to get to us. And what with the way I see people being so casual about dressing for winter weather, if TSHTF during one of our winters, attrition due to weather is going to skyrocket due to exposure getting this far.

72 posted on 11/14/2012 8:35:13 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: djf
If you are trapped on the road in your rig during the collapse, you are a sitting duck.

One word: backroads.

My evacuation plans ALWAYS avoided the interstates.

73 posted on 11/14/2012 8:38:09 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kartographer

That’s what I was afraid of. Good thing our breezy corner of the northern plains is littered with those damn windmills. They will come in so handy when the EPA shuts down our coal-fired power plant. Ugh. I don’t want to “feel good”- I’d much rather feel warm. It gets very cold here...


74 posted on 11/14/2012 8:39:17 AM PST by philled (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; ...

There are three things you will never hear:

“Gold - it does a body good”;

“Precious metal: it’s what’s for dinner”;

“Mommy, can we have that gold bullion soup again? Of course, dear, because precious metals are not only good, they’re good for you.”


75 posted on 11/14/2012 8:42:24 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: PJ-Comix

They for sure won’t be walking for miles and miles to forage. They’re lazy....your best bet is off a bus/rail line and not close to an interstate or main highway.

Gas is going to be non-existent so they won’t be driving anything they steal very far. Then, it’s up to you to do with the local takers.


76 posted on 11/14/2012 9:04:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Or, you could just be a bitter old prune looking for a fight and intentionally going off topic.

Have I gotten into a time machine and gone back to the 1990's and stumbled into a good old fashioned "flame war"?!?! :O

77 posted on 11/14/2012 9:04:41 AM PST by The Duke
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To: driftdiver
I think the common assumption that we’ll see hordes of looters descending out of the city is misplaced. Those people will be out of gas and fighting each other for whats left.

I agree. They'll remain in the cities, waiting for helicopters to drop more 'free stuff' from the sky, until they are out of fuel and desperate. At that point many of them will be unable to travel too much.

I just hope I'm moved out of the city before it all falls apart. I'm house-shopping immediately after Christmas.

78 posted on 11/14/2012 9:21:33 AM PST by The Duke
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To: Gaffer

Plus they’re lazier n’ crap. They’re more enclined to sit on their front stoops with their hands out, than walking 15-20 miles to the next town to loot.

Barely any more evolved than territorial pack animals.


79 posted on 11/14/2012 9:34:53 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.")
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To: driftdiver
I think the common assumption that we’ll see hordes of looters descending out of the city is misplaced. Those people will be out of gas and fighting each other for whats left.

I hope you're right. I think that's going to depend on how much the media decides to talk about "rural hoarders". Best be as ready as you can for either situation.
80 posted on 11/14/2012 9:38:08 AM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: driftdiver
that we’ll see hordes of looters descending out of the city is misplaced.

I think you are right. The logistics of maneuver and communication during difficult times are hard enough for those that are prepared. Without intel, maps, transportation, comms, etc... looters won't have much chance.

/johnny

81 posted on 11/14/2012 9:54:34 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

This is obvious, but worth posting for emphasis:

Today’s events in the Middle East have the potential to escalate to a SHTF scenario.

That does NOT mean they will, but anyone who thinks the potential is not real is living in denial.

None of us knew this was going to happen today, and none of us knows where this is going.

AT A MINIMUM, TODAY IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE READY IN ADVANCE. Once a true SHTF scenario is clear to everyone it will be too late to prepare.


82 posted on 11/14/2012 10:02:18 AM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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To: Ellendra

Right, it all depends. We could have organized mobs running amok through the suburbs. We could also have the national guard going farm to farm searching for ‘weapons dealers’ and hoarders.

Pray and prepare.


83 posted on 11/14/2012 10:18:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: metmom

Backroads are no sufficient if you are starting in a high population area. All of the north east would qualify.

Most of Florida also applies. A single break down or accident and the backroad is blocked. People pay much less attention to traffic laws during evacuations.

If you want to bug out / evacuate then leave very early or stay home.


84 posted on 11/14/2012 10:29:39 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: metmom
metmom said: ,i>"One word: backroads."

We're so spoiled by having freeways that we probably don't realize just how messed up our other roads would be if the freeways get blocked.

We live near a river which creates some unusual situations due to the limited number of bridges. I was driving near the river one day when the local freeway got blocked; I don't remember why.

The side roads were filled with cars and traffic took hours to clear. I wouldn't just assume that any particular side road will be clear.

Freeways are the only place where it is practical to drive 60 miles per hour. If one is limited to ten or twenty miles per hour anyway, then almost any road will do. The hordes will probably take the roads with the most homes along the road, looking for opportunities.

85 posted on 11/14/2012 10:31:52 AM PST by William Tell
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To: JRandomFreeper

Individual looters will be a problem, and perhaps groups small enough to fit in a single vehicle. Massive hordes of looters are unlikely IMO.

Doesn’t mean the sheriffs dept or national guard couldn’t be going door to door. We know the military has already held exercises simulating such events.


86 posted on 11/14/2012 10:34:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Interesting point. I don't expect the local constabulary to being going door-to-door here in my area, only a couple of them actually live in the area, and most may well stay home to protect their family and stuff.

As far as NG, it would be nice to never, ever find out. That's the hope, anyway.

/johnny

89 posted on 11/14/2012 10:41:47 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; JRandomFreeper

JRandomFreeper appears to be living Leviticus ch 25 each and every day; how can he be in danger of any “tumble?”

Leviticus 25 is the Lord’s ‘preparedness manual.’


90 posted on 11/14/2012 10:53:05 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MrB

Your inverter should be rated for at least twice your anticipated load. (basic engineering)


91 posted on 11/14/2012 11:05:18 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You can pull more out of it than you’re putting in, though...

That’s why I recced the 750. Relatively cheap, and about what your alternator will put out.


92 posted on 11/14/2012 11:12:06 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are most likely the very last person on this website with any ability to tell others what to do.

By the way: personal attack means I win.


93 posted on 11/14/2012 11:15:42 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: EternalHope; Kartographer

>> “Today’s events in the Middle East have the potential to escalate to a SHTF scenario” <<

.
Yes, a small one, but not a big one.

You have to watch the prophetic clocks. For the events of Daniel/Revelation, which most see as what is comming, to happen, we have to be back on the 360 day year, and until the event(s) that bring that about happen, we are dealing with small, localized interruptions.

All of the great apocalyptic prophecies count out in 360 day years, and when we are in that situation, you can be sure that those prophecies will unfold rapidly.


94 posted on 11/14/2012 11:21:37 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Please, remove that tagline. Profanity,
even veiled, not allowed on the open forum. Thanks.


95 posted on 11/14/2012 11:23:24 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: MrB

You’ll burn out your inverter very quickly if you attempt to use it as an output control. You have to size the load to control output.


96 posted on 11/14/2012 11:24:43 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Gaffer

I’m really not worried about hordes from the city. My guess is that the biggest problem in a SHTFC situation will be my own neighbors.


97 posted on 11/14/2012 11:37:15 AM PST by stellaluna
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To: djf

There’s another problem with the bug out scenario. Even if you make it out of town the locals at the end of the highway won’t be happy to see you.


98 posted on 11/14/2012 11:41:37 AM PST by stellaluna
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To: editor-surveyor; MrB
True, you have to size the inverter to the projected load. I use 1.5 for a safety multiplier.

One thing to consider is that while the alternator may only put out 750w, current will also be drawn from the battery.

Personally, I don't do inverters in vehicles anymore after some bad experiences.

A cheap genset can recharge a battery bank pretty quickly. Couple the battery bank with an inverter/charger, and you don't have those high vehicle repair bills.

/johnny

99 posted on 11/14/2012 11:42:14 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: editor-surveyor

Of course - that’s why you only run a couple of lights and your fridge OR freezer for a while, idling your car for a couple of hours to recharge the battery or while running the fridge.

Steve Harris has a whole interview on the topic on his site.


100 posted on 11/14/2012 11:46:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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