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M16A1 RIFLE COMIC, 1968
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Posted on 07/10/2012 6:08:51 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

“US Army Preventive Maintenance Manual for the M16A1 Rifle, published by PS Magazine in a comic book form. The idea was that young, uneducated soldiers were more likely to read comics than boring military manuals. This one was illustrated by the prominent comic artist Will Eisner.”


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1 posted on 07/10/2012 6:08:56 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

“Maybe you got a bad round....Imperialist!”


2 posted on 07/10/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I’ve got one of those buried downstairs somewhere.


3 posted on 07/10/2012 6:14:14 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: InvisibleChurch

I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)


4 posted on 07/10/2012 6:17:39 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: dljordan

Which .. the gun, the gal or the book ?


5 posted on 07/10/2012 6:18:21 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Lots of those problems went away when they changed powder types to what Gene Stoner recommended. The Army hated Gen. LeMay's plastic rifle, and tried to undermine it.

It has done well over the years. I don't have to have eyes to be able to strip one and put it back together.

Not as well as the AK, but Kalashnikov was a special designer, in the catagory of John Moses Browning.

/johnny

6 posted on 07/10/2012 6:18:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Red Steel

I can do it with my AR, but don’t need to. Since I installed the Osprey Defense piston system it runs 5000 rounds without needin’g cleaning, and then it’s mostly carb cleaner to the piston cup and piston, with a CLP wipe down of the bolt and carrier then back into action!


7 posted on 07/10/2012 6:22:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Red Steel
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

I can field strip a blind fold with an M-16 too...heheheheheheeeeeeee...No assembly required.

8 posted on 07/10/2012 6:27:42 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: Red Steel
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

That was a requirement to pass boot camp in '74. I remember it was a timed test.

9 posted on 07/10/2012 6:30:56 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The correct answer for 'what to do in a jam' is throw it down and grab a more reliable weapon like an AK47 from some dead haji.

Two jams requiring remedial action, within minutes of each other, while pinned down and cutoff in the street. Just as bad, CONSISTENTLY having to shoot the same s4!th3@ds several times. Damn I hate the POS M16 and 5.56 aka varmint ammo.

10 posted on 07/10/2012 6:31:07 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Does anyone remember the comic books put out by the Navy and given away at the Post Office? I use to wait for every issue. They were a bit like “Classic Comics” in that they taught real history in an easy to read format.

Very entertaining and they would even admit mistakes the Navy had made over the years.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 6:31:31 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: JRandomFreeper

Mikhail Kalashnikov is still alive and kicking. The guy is 92, I think.


12 posted on 07/10/2012 6:34:57 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile (Ask me no questions, I"ll tell you no lies)
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To: Red Steel
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

Why would you need to blind-fold an M16?

13 posted on 07/10/2012 6:37:37 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Interesting post- thanks!


14 posted on 07/10/2012 6:40:31 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher
you're welcome

: )

15 posted on 07/10/2012 6:47:08 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Comparing Kalashnikov to John M. Browning is ridiculous. Kalashnikov didn’t invent anything. The soviets ripped off Hugo Schmeisser’s design of the MP43(Schmeisser was held prisoner in the same factory where Kalashnikov worked after the war) and gave the credit to a wrench monkey named Kalashnikov for propaganda purposes. Flame away, but it’s true, and you can’t change the truth.


16 posted on 07/10/2012 6:48:21 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: umgud

I like to see M-16s wearing bandannas.


17 posted on 07/10/2012 6:50:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

Why would you need to blind-fold an M16?

18 posted on 07/10/2012 6:51:11 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: knarf

“Which .. the gun, the gal or the book ?”

Not the Gal.


19 posted on 07/10/2012 6:53:28 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Momma warned me about girls that wanted me to use my forward assist.


20 posted on 07/10/2012 6:55:11 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (If there were three candidates - Romney, Øbama, and Satan, Øbama would come in third.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Preventive Maintenance Monthly was the Army's comic book to teach maintenance tips to soldiers. The main characters were MSgt Half Mast, Connie Rodd (the blond), and later a black babe named Bonnie. AFIK, it's sill being distributed to Army units.
21 posted on 07/10/2012 7:08:02 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Been a big Wil Eisner fan since re-prints of his ‘The Spirit’.
His comic, tech order/job guide is still top notch!


22 posted on 07/10/2012 7:09:17 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Wow...I used to have a dozen or more of these PMs stashed away.

Back in the day, when the RA got on the Preventative Maintenance bandwagon just about every unit level MM (Maintenance Manual) was in comic book form.

I always thought they would wind-up as collectors items.
23 posted on 07/10/2012 7:10:30 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: ozzymandus

The soviets ripped off Hugo Schmeisser’s design of the MP43———————That’s why the Germans call the Kalashnikov the Stg. 47.


24 posted on 07/10/2012 7:12:17 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: Red Steel

I can field strip with an M-16 while blindfolded before you can say “lackanookie!”


25 posted on 07/10/2012 7:13:42 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: MHGinTN

Had you purchased a Daewoo DR 200 or DR 300, you would have a 1”+ rifle out of the box, and no reliability issues that needed big bucks fixes.

Just sayin.

;-)


26 posted on 07/10/2012 7:18:37 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: InvisibleChurch

PS Magazine was an excellent way to get MWO’s, tips, and updates into the hands of the troops in a timely manner. It was a regular maintenance pub that covered all kinds of Army equipment; not just the M-16.


27 posted on 07/10/2012 7:23:18 PM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m going to disagree. Kalashnikov had a single moment of genius. Browning had a lifetime of it.


28 posted on 07/10/2012 7:28:18 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: csmusaret

I remember the motor pool PM comic had a gal called Connie Lingus.....no kidding. Oh for the days before PC.


29 posted on 07/10/2012 7:30:36 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
We Marines got a huge laugh out of the army needing a comic book to get them to clean and maintain their rifles.....

Though it was not their fault they were issued the rifle with inadequate training in maintenance. And a rifle that was quite unlike the Garand, M-1 Carbine, and M-14 in function and cleaning prototcol.

30 posted on 07/10/2012 7:43:01 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: MasterGunner01
Preventive Maintenance Monthly was the Army's comic book to teach maintenance tips to soldiers. The main characters were MSgt Half Mast, Connie Rodd (the blond), and later a black babe named Bonnie. AFIK, it's sill being distributed to Army units.

There were many more characters in June 1951, Private Joe Dope, Private Fosgnoff, MSG Bull Dozer, Percy the Skunk, SFC Windy Windsock, SFC Macon Sparks, SFC Pablo Hablo, Half-Mast, and Connie Rodd. Two remain as of 2010: Half-Mast, who was promoted to Master Sergeant, and Connie Rodd, both of whom have appeared in every issue.

Later characters that as of 2010 still appear are: Bonnie, an African-American civilian who appeared in 1970 to work with Connie; SFC Benjamin "Rotor" Blade, an aviation specialist; and the Online Warrior, a Logistics Management avatar.

31 posted on 07/10/2012 7:53:42 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: MHGinTN
So, since I implicitly believe absolutely everything you say I went to the Osprey web site. I was floored!

How long has this simple fix for that ornery system been around? Is it allowed for field installation by military personnel? My nephew in Iraq and my niece in Afghanistan tell me that although the M4 is a very good weapon, it still does jam occasionally and must be kept absolutely clean to be reliable

I have long inquired about the drawbacks of the direct impingement system and have been told that it "it's the best in cold climates," etc., etc. I personally know that M16s fouled very quickly.

One more thing, that damned comic book was written in what engineers must have considered to be "hep" cool talk. Much of it was gibberish then and today's dumbed-down kids wouldn't understand a word!

Suffice it to say that the Osprey kit would have saved many young lives in VietNam.

32 posted on 07/10/2012 8:00:20 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and FU Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I’d never heard that before. If it isn’t true, it ought to be. That’s good stuff!


33 posted on 07/10/2012 8:12:34 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Russia filed the patent for AK-47 in 1997 or so, and are busy trying to run around and gather royalties.

Of course Hugo Schmeisser who was on the design team won’t get anything. Kalashnikov had a ‘more correct’ political image.


34 posted on 07/10/2012 8:19:02 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

piston-rod systems have their own failure modes. The rod can buckle or kink, the piston can also foul or jam. The Stoner bolt put the piston inside the bolt, in line with the barrel, which makes sense in some cases- More accurate, and fewer parts.

I myself like the delayed blowback. That way there is no separate gas system at all. When the timing is done correctly, most of the gas blows out the front, and the round will still extract even if the extractor is removed. As for lethality, the M-4 suffers from its short barrel. The longer barrel has higher velocity, and fragments further out.

A review of Teddy Roosevelt’s account of operations in Cuba reveals that he was unimpressed by the 7mm Mauser- If a soldier was shot in brain, heart or spine he died, if shot and the brain, heart and spine were missed, the soldiers recovered quickly.


35 posted on 07/10/2012 8:34:05 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Red Steel

I went through the Infantry unit armorer’s course. We had to, strip, mix the parts, and only after all of the parts were in one pile, then we could reassemble and functions check:

1911 .45 pistol
M-16
M-203
M-60
M-2

All at once and blindfolded (1 hr time limit) in order to pass the class. I was prepping for going for my 18B but blew out my knee before I could get to Q course. Doubt I could do it today. I’d have to relearn the feel of some of the parts.


36 posted on 07/10/2012 8:34:17 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: doorgunner69

Like most of these things, they started with Germany. “Tiger Feibel” was the cartoon book that taught WWII German tiger operators the tricks to keeping that beast operational.

Army guys laugh at Marines, who won’t use the best training technology.


37 posted on 07/10/2012 8:38:22 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

This is awesome! Great to see!


38 posted on 07/10/2012 8:41:59 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: BerryDingle
I always thought the PM Monthly was a very good tool for the guys to read and pickup maintenance tips. Will Eisner did the panels for PM Monthly. Eisner was a renowned artist for DC Comics and branched out to other fields. Sadly, Eisner died on January 3, 2005, from complications of quadruple bypass surgery. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Eisner
39 posted on 07/10/2012 8:53:09 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Repeat Offender

Looking for a gun that works makes packing the weight of an M-14 and ammo seem pretty insignificant doesn’t it?

I dislike them as well. Driving tacks seems to be their forte. I have never understood the reason it was ever adopted. Knock down is like cubes over rpm in an engine. I’ll take mass every time out to a certain distance.

Not a bad varmint round but varmints don’t shoot back.

I’ll hang up now before a big ruckus starts debating the best battle rifle. The AK does what it was designed to do very well though.


40 posted on 07/10/2012 8:53:19 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
The last AR I built I put the Osprey on fromt he start, choosing a nice rail gas block into which to insert the piton cup. I've butned through a couple thousand rounds with it so far and had exactly one failure to fire ... it was a Tula steel case round and apparently I loaded it int he mag without realizing it had no primer! Of course if it ever had powder in it that drained out when the bullet was seated, probably. I sent the round off to an ammo supplier I know for his amusement.

I've got an AR with the CMMG piston kit and one with the Adams Arms kit. Both work just fine, but for the mount it and forget it factor, I would go with the Osprey Defense system in a heartbeat. I've shot 75 grain all the way down to 52 grain ammo through the rifle and not a hiccup. I even loaded different weights in the same mag and had zero issues firing the entire mag. One caution: I put the Osprey on a 14.5 inch barrel gun and had to remove half a loop from the recoil buffer spring to function perfectly. I'm running a Lavange flash suppressor, welded on, and am tickled pink with it. Gun doesn't weigh much more than a loaded 1911 with a thirty round mag 5.56 in the AR.

Short of buying a SCAR 17, this is the best solution to the AR/M4 dirty dump in the bolt problem I can imagine. I've seen no evidence of carrier tilt/drag, so far.

41 posted on 07/10/2012 9:01:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: csmusaret

PS Magazine was an excellent way to get MWO’s, tips, and updates into the hands of the troops in a timely manner. It was a regular maintenance pub that covered all kinds of Army equipment; not just the M-16.


And a lot of good, sometimes hard-to-find National Stock Numbers to order nice to have goodies for the field. Supply Sergeants loved them.


42 posted on 07/10/2012 9:15:13 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: InvisibleChurch

bflr


43 posted on 07/10/2012 9:23:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I forgot to mention that retro fitting the Osprey onto an existing impingement gun is a snap.


44 posted on 07/10/2012 10:14:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Don’t know too much about firearms, do ya?
/s


45 posted on 07/11/2012 1:31:05 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: 2111USMC; Squantos; Travis McGee
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

That was a requirement to pass boot camp in '74. I remember it was a timed test.

As it was for us in the Army, in Armor AIT, circa 1968.

Then I got to my first line assignment, where we learned to do it again. With a M1911A1 .45 pistol, an M3 greasegun, a M73 co-ax machinegun and an M60 MG, all taken down and all the parts in one pile.

That took a little longer....

46 posted on 07/11/2012 3:26:10 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: 2111USMC; Squantos; Travis McGee
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

That was a requirement to pass boot camp in '74. I remember it was a timed test.

As it was for us in the Army, in Armor AIT, circa 1968.

Then I got to my first line assignment, where we learned to do it again. With a M1911A1 .45 pistol, an M3 greasegun, a M73 co-ax machinegun and an M60 MG, all taken down and all the parts in one pile.

That took a little longer....

47 posted on 07/11/2012 3:26:35 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: 2111USMC; archy
M-16 had a serious problems, like never discharging when opportunity called for it.


48 posted on 07/11/2012 3:42:45 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (One out of three ain't good enough, Make November work.)
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To: MHGinTN

Piston guns are good.... Hk 416 is a great design. Glad companies are using the design for us retired folks semi-auto variants.

Hope you’re well !


49 posted on 07/11/2012 3:55:19 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Red Steel
I can field strip and assemble the M-16 blind folded. ;-)

I didn't know they had eyes.

50 posted on 07/11/2012 3:57:04 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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