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Father: Raid on Petaluma house was confusing, terrifying
The Press Democrat ^ | May 8, 2012 | Mary Callahan

Posted on 05/14/2012 6:00:16 PM PDT by Altariel

Victor Flores said he was in the bathroom of his Petaluma home last week getting ready for work shortly after 4 a.m. when an explosion shattered the predawn silence, followed by a scream.

He immediately thought his wife was being attacked as she returned home after working the night shift, Flores said.

In fact, dozens of federal agents had converged on their McNeil Avenue house to arrest their oldest son, also named Victor Flores, and search the rental house as part of an investigation into a 2010 triple homicide in South San Francisco.

The quiet neighborhood was awakened by loud bangs, presumably from flash-bang devices agents often use to distract a suspect as they enter a building.

Then the bullets started to fly.

When the gunfire ceased, three federal agents were wounded.

One of the family's two dogs, a boxer named Sassy, was dead.

The Flores' home was peppered with bullet holes, including one mere inches above the headboard on the bed where Flores' youngest son slept.


He even appeared in court a week earlier and could have been arrested then, his parents said.

“I don't know why they did this to us,” Ana Flores said.

Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for Homeland Security Investigations, would not address the question of the agency's approach to the arrest, except to say, “Our foremost consideration is the safety of the agents” and other people in the area.

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KEYWORDS: california; donutwatch; petaluma; victorflores
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To: Altariel

America has the lowest violent crime rate in 50 some odd years yet the we have more and more SWAT raids.

21 posted on 05/14/2012 6:39:57 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Altariel

“I suspect that the wounded cops were wounded by friendly fire.”

I suspect you are right. But IMHO it’s moot. When someone sets off a bomb in your house you have every reason to believe you are in danger and shoot in self defense. I know the cops love to use their toys, but it’s stupid tactically to use a flash bang in any situation other than a known armed standoff. The whole idea is to blind, deafen, and disorient the people inside. Great. They can’t see that you are cops or hear you announce that you are cops. Storming a house with innocent family members should be the last resort, not the first.

22 posted on 05/14/2012 6:43:02 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Altariel

To make the country safe for its citizens, all SWAT equipment should be banned and destroyed. These hopped-up cowboys are totally insane when they don their gear and go hunting for anything that moves. Unfortunately, many times that means pets, the elderly and children are shot as the bullets of the black-garbed Barney Fifes fly.

23 posted on 05/14/2012 6:46:56 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

Your papers, please.

TSA Expands Checkpoints From Airports to Highways

24 posted on 05/14/2012 6:53:39 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Lurker

I’m surprised someone hasn’t set up a situation where that would be a possibility.


25 posted on 05/14/2012 6:58:49 PM PDT by AlligatorEyes (Iactura paucourm serva multos)
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To: Altariel

When something like this happens, I am reminded of the movie,”An Innocent Man,” a 1989 movie starring Tom Selleck. I remember being horrified by the premise of this movie. The cops enter the wrong house in a drug raid, kill the wife and frame the husband. I remember when I saw this film, the though of something like that happening was totally unimaginable to me.

26 posted on 05/14/2012 7:24:00 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: Altariel

In the name of officer safety, you could just kill every one in the house.

Or you could knock on the door like a civilized human being.

27 posted on 05/14/2012 7:24:32 PM PDT by marron
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To: Copenhagen Smile
I read an article recently where a women got 20 years

Why do people not know the difference between the words "woman" and women?"

Do you realize that the word "woman" is singular, meaning ONE WOMAN.

The word "women" is plural, meaning MORE THAN ONE WOMAN.

Do you seriously not know that?

28 posted on 05/14/2012 7:29:41 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Lurker

I would say if you were a criminal it would be smart to rise early before dawn and be ready.But first, be sure the dog is safe.

I don’t want to see Police Officers shot or injured, but these raids in the middle of the night are BS.

29 posted on 05/14/2012 7:30:23 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Paladin2

It’s the new name for ICE.

30 posted on 05/14/2012 7:33:08 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hugin

It does seem odd, doesn’t it ? If they are concerned about meeting armed resistance, why do they not surround the house, announce themselves through a bullhorn, and see what response they get ? They can always perforate the house if the people refuse to come out or start shooting.

This family would have quietly exited the house with no shots fired, no damage, and the kid arrested. Of course, they also had a search warrant, so these cops would undoubtedly have torn up the house anyway. Judges should all have at least one experience of a search warrant being served on their home so they can experience having all their furniture slashed up and destroyed. They seem way too eager to issue search warrants that will destroy a person’s property.

31 posted on 05/14/2012 7:35:33 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

It was a typo. I apologize.

32 posted on 05/14/2012 7:42:19 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: Altariel
They just profiling and strutting their $hit to show that they have plenty of ammo to use and waste and can out-gun anyone. I mean....after all didn't the TSA just order 450 MILLION rounds?

With that kind of ammo, they can shoot to their hearts content. They've so much they need ammo carriers just to support a traffic stop. And, GOD forbid they stop a 70 year old MALE instead of the 95 year old grandma.

33 posted on 05/14/2012 7:45:50 PM PDT by jmax ( is so frigging good in the obama nation.)
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To: AlligatorEyes

Robert Lasso was killed because he pointed his weapon at a Pennsylvania homeowner’s two dogs.

34 posted on 05/14/2012 7:48:01 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Thank God for the “Grammar Police”.

35 posted on 05/14/2012 7:53:58 PM PDT by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: Altariel
To commit a raid like this when an arrest can be made otherwise, is a death penalty offense for the officers involved, in my opinion.
36 posted on 05/14/2012 7:56:55 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: BuffaloJack

Hmmm, maybe we should contact the new CIA director since those ROE are his and he might be able to talk some sense into Homeland Security.

37 posted on 05/14/2012 8:11:13 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Lurker
One of these days on of these teams is going to go after someone who knows what he’s doing. And he’ll kill every single one of them.

I bet they won't. Why? Because they never seem to pull this s*** with anyone who might actually be able to resist. When was the last time you read about a SWAT raid on a house full of Crips or Bloods? How about never? They only pull this crap with families and old ladies.
38 posted on 05/14/2012 8:39:04 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Now you’re going to tell us that you have never made a mistake! HA!!!

39 posted on 05/14/2012 8:55:44 PM PDT by Archer24 (Get a life - I've had two and am lookingfor more.)
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To: Kellis91789

That’s a very good idea but it might be better with a twist - require the judge to supervise the raid.

40 posted on 05/14/2012 9:00:15 PM PDT by Archer24 (Get a life - I've had two and am lookingfor more.)
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