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Baby death from shopping cart accident serves as warning
Yahoo! ^ | September 28, 2011 | The_Stir Parenting

Posted on 04/01/2012 4:50:49 PM PDT by Altariel

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To: papertyger

>>Oh, I gave you an answer.<<

No you didn’t. You just fell back on argumentum ad absurdum.

It is a valid forensic approach, but certainly a classic (and humorous) logical fallacy.

Are you shooting for every possible logical fallacy possible? You are a great example for many, so far.


61 posted on 04/01/2012 7:42:35 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: bigheadfred

“Mom was too busy what? Lighting up a smoke to carry the kid????”

==

In my generation we lit up the cigarette AND carried the kid.

Safety first!


62 posted on 04/01/2012 7:45:36 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Kimmers

I was pretty astonished myself.

But you know, I’ve concluded “good parents” as a cultural meme, are very much like “common sense.” I.e. actually pretty fricken rare!

Parents are like entrepreneurs: just because they managed to built a business that was self sustaining (didn’t kill the kid), doesn’t mean they are actually very good at running a business.


63 posted on 04/01/2012 7:48:48 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: freedumb2003

Oh, you think so?

You think asking for links to another scenario of the exact same circumstances as the one under consideration, but with a different outcome predicated on the sex of the subject is a reasonable request?

And where do you see an absurdum argument?

You use “logical fallacies” like a kid faking an accent.


64 posted on 04/01/2012 7:58:00 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: papertyger

Wow. Everybody! Be respectful! We are blessed to have in our company someone so powerful in their faculties that they have never and will never make a mistake of any kind! How lucky we are! We must learn from them their Jedi secrets!

I know parents that do all sorts of negligent things, like letting their kids play outdoors... Play indoors without helmets on... Play together with other kids even... It’s all so frightening out there. What kind of anti-disease masks do you use? Do you get good bulk pricing?


65 posted on 04/01/2012 7:58:51 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Only moms can kill their kids and not be charged. Nobody else can get away with it.

Yes, I'm sure that a law could fix this. People wouldn't be thoughtless if only there were more penalties for it. Since people are intentionally deciding to not think ahead... They would decide to think ahead if only the law made them do it. If the risk to their child isn't enough for people to think more clearly, the the law must be the thing that'll do it. Sheesh. (/s)

66 posted on 04/01/2012 8:04:52 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: freedumb2003
Either construct a logical argument or just stop.

Why don't you show me how it's done?

How about logically demonstrating the rationale for giving this negligent mother a pass while justifying prosecution of a father for insufficiently securing his firearms?

67 posted on 04/01/2012 8:06:28 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: goodwithagun

Nope, sorry, epic fail on your part.


68 posted on 04/01/2012 8:10:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Ramius

You mean you think a reasonable parent needs to use a helmet to go through Kroger?

If that makes me a Jedi, you must be Jar jar.


69 posted on 04/01/2012 8:10:56 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: papertyger

>>And where do you see an absurdum argument?<<

Your argument makes no sense in any way, shape or form. Thus it is an argumentum ad absurdum.

>>You use “logical fallacies” like a kid faking an accent.<<

The fact you don’t understand them, nor can you actually specifically cite a specific link that backs up your contention (actually, now, an assertion), is an indictment on you, not me.

Everyone reading this must note you have not even tried to rebut my specific forensic addressing of your statements.

You analogies fail. Your attempts to misdirect fail. Your ad absurdum and ad hominem fail. I ask a direct question, you cannot answer it.

You fail.

Please quit embarrassing yourself. And FR.

Really.


70 posted on 04/01/2012 8:11:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Ramius

yeah, I’d like to try locking up a few of these “mothers” that leave their kids in the car while they get mani-pedis.


71 posted on 04/01/2012 8:16:15 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: papertyger

>>How about logically demonstrating the rationale for giving this negligent mother a pass while justifying prosecution of a father for insufficiently securing his firearms?<<

Why don’t you logically defend the actions of the Bush Administration’s Patriot act while giving a pass to allowing Paula Dean using real butter in her cooking?

It is bad enough you use so many fallacies, but false dichotomy? God, you make it too easy. There are only 3 or 4 left before you exhaust the entire base of fallacies.

I don’t want to create new forensic theory but if you continue on this path I may need to.

(btw: if it wasn’t for the tragic life of a child you want to politicize, this would be a hoot)


72 posted on 04/01/2012 8:17:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Altariel
I once saw a kid, about 3 or 4, standing up in a shopping cart, lean over the edge and fall out, do a 270 degree flip in the air and land on his back unharmed. (He was wearing a thick coat.) Things like this must happen extremely frequently and not always with such a happy ending.

I learned never to let kids stand up in a shopping cart.

73 posted on 04/01/2012 8:29:23 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: freedumb2003
Your argument makes no sense in any way, shape or form. Thus it is an argumentum ad absurdum.
reductio ad absurdum (redirected from Argumentum ad absurdum)

[Latin, Reduction to absurdity.] In logic, a method employed to disprove an argument by illustrating how it leads to an absurd consequence.

You were saying something about "fail?"

Methinks you would be better served attending to how YOU look on this thread than worrying about how I look.

74 posted on 04/01/2012 8:29:55 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: freedumb2003
It is bad enough you use so many fallacies, but false dichotomy? God, you make it too easy. There are only 3 or 4 left before you exhaust the entire base of fallacies

How would you know?

Your ignorance of the one fallacy you've referred to has now been proven beyond any dispute.

Do you now get credibility for expanding on your proven ignorance?

75 posted on 04/01/2012 8:37:10 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: papertyger

>>Methinks you would be better served attending to how YOU look on this thread than worrying about how I look.<<

Note you still haven’t answered my questions. And yes, your responses “illustrate how it leads to an absurd consequence.”

You have been bested in every category. Your forensic knowledge is shallow, your examples absurd, your reasoning illogical. Your entire “thesis” (I am kind in wrapping your rantings into such a cocoon) makes no logical sense and fails many, if not all, of the precepts of logic.

If I was you, I would withdraw. You don’t even have to admit defeat. Just say nothing and after some time you will have salvaged simple defeat from a thrashing.


76 posted on 04/01/2012 8:38:52 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: wideminded

I very nearly took a nurse apart for doing the same thing while checking my baby’s weight.

Luckily, I reached out and snatched her by the ankle before she hit the ground.


77 posted on 04/01/2012 8:40:41 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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To: papertyger

You are thrashing.

You were wrong in the one example you gave. Even so, your broader false dichotomy (If you were wrong on one, you were wrong on all) fails on its face.

Don’t try to argue logic via wikipedia. Either you know it or you do not.

You do not and your increased display of ignorance does you, me and FR no good.


78 posted on 04/01/2012 8:43:43 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: papertyger

I suspect your stories are... suspect.

Skittles/Heimlich/parental disinterest
Nurse/Drops/you as heroic “catcher”

Very, um, “convenient” to the point of discussion.


79 posted on 04/01/2012 8:46:38 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: papertyger

>Your ignorance of the one fallacy you’ve referred to has now been proven beyond any dispute.<<

Your misunderstanding of the fallacy at hand doth not make my analysis invalid.

>>Do you now get credibility for expanding on your proven ignorance?<<

You don’t really “get” false dichotomy, do you?


80 posted on 04/01/2012 8:49:51 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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