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Speaker Boener has lost my respect. (Vanity post)

Posted on 03/04/2011 8:02:27 AM PST by Leaning Right

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To: j-damn

We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.


61 posted on 03/04/2011 10:20:23 AM PST by RC one (CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! YES WE CAN! FUBO!)
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To: Leaning Right

She wouldnt be precedent for this. She was the last remaining of something, and honored because of that. She was honored because of her actions, not the longevity of her life.

There is precedent for non-political figures, but there have only been four in the US History, not counting Generals.


62 posted on 03/04/2011 10:21:52 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Keith in Iowa; Red in Blue PA
>> When they are the last living veteran of a particular historical, global event... that’s where. You allow that. <<

There's no precedent for that. Did the last living Spanish-American war vet lay in state? The last living Civil War Vet? Last living Mexican War Veteran? Etc., etc. Why would we start now? Is World War I more important than the civil war?

63 posted on 03/04/2011 10:41:00 AM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Scroll up. I posted precedent.


64 posted on 03/04/2011 10:47:10 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: magritte; All

Go here for a list of those who have lain in state in the US capital

http://www.aoc.gov/cc/capitol/lain_in_state.cfm


65 posted on 03/04/2011 10:50:14 AM PST by NCC-1701 (Impeach the Kenyan usurper. This administration is unConitutional. Show us the long form.)
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To: NCC-1701

Looks like I’m a little late. A couple of FReepers already beat me to the draw on this.


66 posted on 03/04/2011 10:52:45 AM PST by NCC-1701 (Impeach the Kenyan usurper. This administration is unConitutional. Show us the long form.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

You posted precedent for unknown soliders to lay in state in the capitol. Frank Buckles is not unknown and the focus would be on him, rather than “every” World War I vet. There is no precedent to have soliders lay in state simply because they outlived everyone else, and it makes no sense to give Buckles this honor when no previous war veteran was honored for outliving everyone else. Why is he more special than say, Albert Woolson, the last surviving vet of the civil war? Woolson died in ‘56, and didn’t lay in state.


67 posted on 03/04/2011 10:54:50 AM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: EternalVigilance; RC one; Leaning Right

I understand your point(s), guys; really do. Again, don’t misunderstand. I believe the guy should be honored as we would and SHOULD honor any who served our country in time of war (including three of my own sons, by the way). I can think of many heroes, some highly decorated and some not, who gave their all (including their lives) for us in hell holes all over this world. Not all of them are given the honor of lying in state. Patton didn’t. Jimmy Doolittle didn’t. Omar Bradley...Halsey....Audie Murphy....an endless list.

They may all DESERVE it out of respect, but it’s impractical. Lying in state is generally reserved for a head of state. That’s all.


68 posted on 03/04/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: thackney

While true, WWI was “the war to end all wars”; it was when gas attacks were widely used (by all sides).

I’m a vet, I get it - but the LAST veteran of ANY war is a chance to honor EVERY veteran of that war. Most don’t get a chance to honor ANY veteran.

But, you know what, just my opinion - and just like as$holes, everyone’s got one, and they usually smell like poop.


69 posted on 03/04/2011 11:54:27 AM PST by Ro_Thunder (I sure hope there is a New Morning in America soon. All this hope and change is leaving me depressed)
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To: RightOnline

He is the last of the WW1 vets. That’s a BFD. Presidents come and go all the time. there will never be another last remaining WW1 veteran ever in American history; furthermore, lying in state is not specifically reserved for Presidents. This is about honoring the spirits of every WW1 vet and basically closing that chapter of US history. It’s about national closure. It’s also about our WW2 vets. There needs to be a national moment of recognition over this.

Those who have lain in state:
* 1852 – Henry Clay, long-serving Senator and Representative, Secretary of State, Speaker of the House, and presidential candidate
* 1865 – President Abraham Lincoln, assassinated while in office
* 1868 – Thaddeus Stevens, Representative from Pennsylvania
* 1874 – Charles Sumner, Senator from Massachusetts
* 1875 – Vice President Henry Wilson, served under Grant, died in office
* 1881 – President James Garfield, assassinated while in office
* 1886 – John A. Logan, Senator from Illinois
* 1901 – President William McKinley, assassinated while in office
* 1909 – Pierre L’Enfant – although he died in 1825, he was disinterred, laid in state upon reinterment at Arlington National Cemetery
* 1917 – Admiral George Dewey, Admiral of the Navy
* 1921 – The Unknown Soldier for World War I
* 1923 – President Warren Harding, died in office
* 1930 – President William Howard Taft, President 1909–13, also Chief Justice 1921–30
* 1948 – John J. Pershing, General of the Armies of the United States
* 1953 – Robert Taft, U.S. Senator and Majority Leader
* 1958 – The Unknown Soldiers for World War II and the Korean War
* 1963 – President John F. Kennedy, assassinated while in office
* 1964 – General Douglas MacArthur, General of the Army
* 1964 – President Herbert Hoover, President 1929–33
* 1969 – President Dwight Eisenhower, President 1953–1961, Supreme Allied Commander during World War II
* 1969 – Everett Dirksen, Illinois Senator, Senate Minority Leader 1959–1969
* 1972 – J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director 1929–1972
* 1973 – President Lyndon B. Johnson, President 1963–1969
* 1978 – Hubert Humphrey, Vice President 1965–1969, Minnesota Senator
* 1984 – The Unknown Soldier for the Vietnam War (later identified as 1st. Lt. Michael J. Blassie)
* 1989 – Claude Pepper, long Serving Senator and Representative
* 2004 – President Ronald Reagan, President 1981–1989
* 2006–07 – President Gerald Ford, President 1974–1977


70 posted on 03/04/2011 11:59:03 AM PST by RC one (CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! YES WE CAN! FUBO!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yes I do comprehend it. My grandfather served in WWI. You see, I got it right, WWI.


71 posted on 03/04/2011 12:00:20 PM PST by Perdogg (What Would Aqua Buddha do?)
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To: Ro_Thunder
Mostly I would hope if held at Arlington, there would be less likelihood of Shelia Jackson Lee jumping in front of the camera.

I mean no disrespect to any vet. I do not mean to elevate those who lie in state at the capital above them. But I would rather his memorial be a military, not a political event.

72 posted on 03/04/2011 12:05:56 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney

I might pay $5.00 to see Queen SJL jump in front of the cameras honoring the last WWI veteran. That would be material for Michael Berry for the next month alone!


73 posted on 03/04/2011 1:56:57 PM PST by Ro_Thunder (I sure hope there is a New Morning in America soon. All this hope and change is leaving me depressed)
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