Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats

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[marbren]

(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.

In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson

[Alamo-Girl]

I was not surprised when I first read the article below because:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3

From the article:

The peaks indicate harmonics in the sound waves that filled the early, dense universe. Until some 300,000 years after the Big Bang, the universe was so hot that matter and radiation were entangled in a kind of soup in which sound waves (pressure waves) could vibrate. The CMB is a relic of the moment when the universe had cooled enough so that photons could “decouple” from electrons, protons, and neutrons; then atoms formed and light went on its way.

The Universe may be flat but it is nevertheless musical

Listen in to The Sound of Cosmic Background Radiation

God's Name is I AM.

[Quix]

Your posts may be mushing together . . . trying to get out the door but not succeeding very well. LOL.

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re:

As for the claims of electrical interference, the cases you cited, if even true, are merely examples of what Mr. Carlson is claiming is physically true, that is, that if electronics are disrupted by natural or physically explainable events, then all electronics will be disrupted, not merely one component, or one station, etc.

The only case that may be worthy of further investigation would be the claim that “targeting instructions for individual missiles have been changed”. In such further investigation, one should ask, “was only one missile at the time altered, while others in the same test flight operated normally, or, was only one missile tested at the time of the malfunction?” If the latter case, then that would simply be another case of system wide malfunction, and not targeted malfunction (which would be unexplainable by the laws of physics).

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FROM MEMORY . . . not refreshed in great detail for many months if not a few years . . .

1. The missiles were all extremely structurally and physically isolated. I was reportedly virtually impossible if not totally redundantly impossible for one missile’s malfunction to influence another missle.

2. IIRC, even at the control center level, there was so much redundancy built in . . . and so much isolated structure built into the control center wiring and programming, EVEN AT THAT LEVEL, it was still essentially impossible for a system wide failure to occur.

3. NEVERTHELESS, in at least a few such incidents, as many as 10 missiles went kaput instantly at essentially the same time.

4. In other incidents as was verified and discovered afterwards . . . MISSILE TARGETING DATA WERE CHANGED. THAT IS, MISSILES THAT WERE TARGETED FOR SAY MOSCOW OR BEIJING WERE CHANGED TO TARGET INSTEAD ________ THE CHANGES HAVE NEVER BEEN REVEALED—TO WHAT INSTEAD—ONLY THAT SUCH CHANGES DID OCCUR. It is not clear if the missiles were retargeted for the middle of the ocean or for different inhabited areas or even perhaps for our own cities. THAT information has never been disclosed, that I’m aware of. This was done on an individual missile basis. Very incredible technologies involved.

5. BTW, UFO’s have long persistently demonstrated intelligent controlled responsiveness to THOUGHTS of observers from 10’s of miles away. That is, the observer would THINK—go left. The UFO would go left; go up; go right; blink 3 times etc. and the UFO would behave accordingly.

[Quix]

Well put.

THx.

[Quix]

Hmmmmm

The music of the spheres.

[Alamo-Girl]

Didn't the fall happen before anyone was born?

The answer comes from our understanding of "who man is."

My discernment of “who man is” may be unique; nevertheless I will attempt to explain my view of the divine calculus.

God’s physical creation is enormous and physical man is but a miniscule part in relation to it. In the strictest terms, no physical man is the center of the physical universe. God, on the other hand, sees all of it, all at once – and not just a cosmic overview but all the way down to the quantum fields or particles.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. - Matthew 10:30

Mathematically speaking, in between the two extreme perspectives of cosmos and quantum is the geometric form of a particular man, rocketing through space and time from a definitive beginning space/time coordinate of his mortal life to a definitive ending space/time coordinate of his mortal life.

But that is just the physical man.

And neither his form (geometry of his autonomy) nor his constituent molecules sum up to who the man “is.” Indeed all of his molecules are replaced every seven years as I recall. And his form is relative over space and time. It is all quite dynamic in this physical creation.

Man is not the sum of his physical parts.

Indeed, I aver that who a particular man “is” – whether physically or spiritually as a living soul - is information, i.e. a particular message being communicated.

Bear with me…

Physically speaking, the message is DNA – a message unique to each one of us. The message is “who” a man physically “is.” As long as the message is being communicated throughout his autonomous physical body, the man is physically alive. When it ceases to be communicated, he is physically dead. He is physically dead not because the message disappears (DNA doesn’t yield to entropy right away) but because the message is not being communicated.

Moreover, by the very fact of his existence on some finite worldline of the space/time continuum, the universe has been physically “informed.” Physically, who he is and his entire life is “on the record.” God sees all of it.

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. – Matt 12:36

But we mortal men are not just physical, like so many other life forms rocketing through space/time. And the message of “who we are” is not merely who we physically are. Indeed, Adam was specially given the very breath of God; he was made a living soul. That is part of the message of who we are that cannot be examined under a microscope as part of our DNA; it is nevertheless part of our information content, part of the “record.”

And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. – Genesis 2:7

Adam was not made for a mere physical existence like a bacteria, daffodil, fish or cow. He doesn’t “belong” in the physical realm and he knows it. But because he was banished to mortality, this peculiar creature made for Paradise/Eden, having immortality at his finger tips, now is grounded in the physical universe whose life forms were his to name.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die [literally, muwth muwth or “death death”]. – Genesis 2:17

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. – Genesis 2:19

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. – Genesis 3:22-24

Death entered the world because of Adam, not just physical death but muwth muwth – death death. Not just the death of his physical body, but the death of his living soul.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: - Romans 5:12

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28

Now for our rescue…

We are rescued by a message being communicated to us. And that message is not who we are but rather, Who Christ IS. Spiritually speaking, we Christians are that message being communicated to us, in us and through us.

Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David. - Matthew 22:42

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Matthew 16:15-18

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. –I Corinthians 12:3

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. – Romans 10:9

But the parallel does not end there. Like our autonomous physical body is the boundary of the communication of who we physically are (the DNA) - we are part of His body because the message of Who He IS is communicated through us.

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. - I Cor 12:12-14

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. - John 3:5-8

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - I Corinthians 6:19

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. – Romans 12:4-5

From that last verse - “every one members one of another” – not because of who we are but because of Who He IS. That Spiritual communication or communion is what we Christians share.

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. II Cor 2:6-16

And again,

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. – Matt 4:4

Give us this day our daily bread. – Matt 6:11

I am that bread of life. – John 6:48

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:63

So in the same way that we are physically alive because the message of who are is being communicated throughout our autonomous form, the message of Who He IS binds us together in Him, spiritually.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20

I visualize each of us as a peculiar creature (a descendant of Adam rather than a mere animal like a cow or donkey or ape or dinosaur) free falling through space and time being “hooked” by His calling to us - or if you prefer, our grabbing hold of the life line He extends to us. Thus I am even while in the flesh, alive in Him. And when the physical body dies, the message of who I am continues thereafter caught up in the message of Who He IS.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. – John 5:24

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. – Romans 8:15-17

God’s Name is I AM.

[FourtySeven]

Ok thanks! I guess we will have to agree to disagree for now. I would be curious to see any supporting documentation you may have for your point 1, if you have the time and are so inclined. Specifically, who is “they” and (this is the more important part of the question) how do you know that “they” can do the things you claim? Again, if you are so inclined, supporting documentation is requested here, not merely a reiteration of past claims.

A word if I may about points 2-6. Even without supporting documentation, I believe they show a flaw in your reasoning, with all due respect. That is, even if they are true, it is of little consequence, because it is entirely possible that people with extensive credentials and/or social notoriety may suffer from either mental defect, or human error that leads to false conclusion. In other words, no matter how educated the man, it is entirely possible that he can be wrong about something, even something he claims happened to him. This is also true of anyone who is “slightly significantly more healthy than the general population” and/or “...as an averaged aggregate also slightly significantly smarter than the average of the general population”. Physical fitness and/or intelligence do not necessarily prohibit the possibility of mental illness and/or perceptive error (human error). Indeed, I believe many studies have shown conclusively that many who suffer from mental defects of a wide variety usually test above average intelligence.

Thus, my comparison of the subset of the world population that claims extraterrestrial encounters to the world population as a whole is valid. It is valid because the socioeconomic/educational/intelligence/physical fitness status of a witness is not relevant in determining veracity, even for murder witnesses. What is relevant is corroborating evidence, and such corroborating evidence can only come from two sources (IMO): One, clear, irrefutable scientific evidence that can take many forms including but not limited to, photographic, chemical, or biological evidence that no reasonable person could refute. Or, two, personal experience (as I have pointed out before on unrelated topics). I do not believe you personally are claiming to have had an extraterrestrial/UFO encounter, thus you can only corroborate, not only to convince others, but also yourself (again IMO), the many hundreds (thousands, 10’s of thousands, however many you have) of witness accounts you have collected in 45 years with clear, irrefutable scientific evidence as described above.

In other words, if you wish to claim you are being reasonable, not only to people you are trying to convince with your posts (which is why you are posting in the first place, I can only assume), but also yourself, you must have either had a personal experience of your own to corroborate the witness testimonies you have found in 45 years, or, you must have independent scientific evidence, and apparently you have neither.

This is the only reasonable approach to this issue, again, IMO. It seems to me it is not your definition of reasonableness, which is both your and my right, which is why I said we should at this point agree to disagree. I do not see how this will ever be resolved, given the circumstances reality dictates to us as previously described.

[Quix]

Works for me.

Sounds real and Biblical.

However, my . . . inferior-mindedness missed an answer to the question.

How do you see something like the Turky ruins with respect to the point or points in time that the Garden of Eden represents?

[FourtySeven]

Ok thanks. I do not see how these claims refute the initial criticism, to whit, that electronic failure can be explained by natural/man made causes. They all, again, seem to be cases of system wide failure, either in individual missiles or missiles in a group. Except of course, the targeting coordinate change. For that, I would like to see supporting documentation if you have the time, for reasons posted in my post # 526.

[MHGinTN]

Gerald Schroeder gives an excellent layman’s explanation at http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html >He is an Astrophysicist, IIRC, and a Jewish Old Testament scholar.

[Quix]

Sorry, I don’t know that I’ll come up with the data evidence. This distillation is over too many decades.

Stupidly, I only began compiling links this week. Silly me.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com

and

http://www.blackvault.com

and

http://www.earthfiles.com

would be good places to begin such a search.

Of course it boils down to whether one trusts testimony, or not.

I agree brilliance can still be stupid, ignorant and wrong.

HOWEVER, you state:

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What is relevant is corroborating evidence, and such corroborating evidence can only come from two sources (IMO): One, clear, irrefutable scientific evidence that can take many forms including but not limited to, photographic, chemical, or biological evidence that no reasonable person could refute. Or, two, personal experience (as I have pointed out before on unrelated topics).

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1. There are more than 3,000 trace elements cases that have been verified to have an ‘other’ origin through rigorous scientific analysis of UFO landing sites. The presentation is above average convincing, to me.

2. I’m asserting that above average healthy and above average bright folks in the 10’s of thousands have corroborated the same distilled list of facts about the phenomena over the last 60 years. Even Occam’s famous razor would have a difficult time finding a DIFFERENT explanation THAN THE ONES OFFERED, for those 10’s of thousands of DISCONNECTED, WIDELY DIVERSE corroborating reports from the hills of the Ande’s to Moscow to China to Australia’s outback etc.

3. You are also leaving out God’s inputs into my study and analysis.

4. Throw in my relative and the surprising number of world class experts on the topic whom I’ve been blessed to be able to chat with at length . . .

I’m not the least bit concerned that I’m greatly wrong in my tentative conclusions.

[Alamo-Girl]

How do you see something like the Turky ruins with respect to the point or points in time that the Garden of Eden represents?

The tree of life is in the middle of the Garden of Eden and Paradise (Genesis 2, Revelation 2) therefore I do not perceive the Garden of Eden to be strictly physical. Likewise I perceive Adam was created in the spiritual realm before he was banished to mortality, the physical realm, and his mortal calendar/clock began. Or to put it another way, I do not perceive Adam as strictly physical either.

There is no way of telling how long Adam existed in Eden/Paradise before he was banished. But I would hazard a guess that it was a very, very long time (relative to earth) because the animals were brought to him to be named.

Therefore it appears to me that Adam was alive in Eden/Paradise while that structure was being built. Or to put it another way, by my perception, there were physical men who were not descendants of Adam, whose home was not Eden/Paradise.

[marbren]

WOW Thank You for this perspective! However, In my case

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. - Matthew 10:30

is not that big a deal.;-)

Do you believe we will have gloried "physical" bodies during the millennium? Will we eat and drink? Will we digest food?

[Quix]

Let me put it this way.

1. The systems were so isolated and independent as to not at all be accurately described as

one system.

2. There had never been ANY OTHER KIND OF INFLUENCE OF ANY KIND FROM THE BUILDING OF THE SYSTEMS TO THEIR RETIREMENT of any remotely ‘system wide’ failure. Just didn’t happen. Was structurally impossible.

3. The ONLY time multiple missiles failed in anything like the same time frame was when the UFO craft were dinking around with them.

4. What is your explanation for that?

Mr Carlson’s explanation just doesn’t match the facts as I’m convinced they were.

[Quix]

that electronic failure can be explained by natural/man made causes.

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As I understand their archetecture, structure, operations, design and history etc. that’s just . . .

NOPE. NOT PLAUSIBLE. NOT BY A HUGE MARGIN.

There was just tooooo much fail-safe redundancy built-in.

And the record of the equipment’s performance confirms that.

[marbren]

there were physical men who were not descendants of Adam, whose home was not Eden/Paradise.

Do they exist today?

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOL!

And yes, I believe we will eat food in our glorified bodies.

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took [it], and did eat before them. - Luke 24:42-43

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. - Matt 26:29

[Quix]

THANKS.

Will check it out.

BTW, Why aren’t more of your RC cohorts stepping up to the plate?

Personal pique against me is a shallow and extremely petty reason, imho.

[Alamo-Girl]

I doubt any survived the Noah flood.

[Quix]

Thanks thanks.

More than plausible, to me.

I agree.

And that doesn’t get into the nephilium etc. LOL.

[MHGinTN]

You opined, "Christ is Spirit (the flesh part was crucified, died, buried and rose from the dead) not an alien." The Spirit of Christ is The Holy Spirit of God, and Jesus still has a physical body, as attested by Jesus telling Thomas to touch Him so that he doubt not that He, The Word made flesh Who dwelt among us, has physical reality. Thomas was so convinced that He not only said 'My Lord and my God' but spent the rest of his life traveling to boldly spread the gospel and eventually died for his witness.

We ought not doubt that Jesus is in the flesh, albeit His flesh now is so very different from what it was before the crucifixion and entombment. There is a psacetime reality to the flesh Jesus now inhabits and He has told us that we too shall have this sort of flesh in some where/when. That where/when already exists: Jesus left our where/when and stepped into the other where/when in order to leave the burial wrappings without unwraping them; left the hewn-into-solid-rock tomb without rolling away the stone blocking the entrance; step from that where/when into the locked and shuttered upper room to show Himself and speak to the mourning Disciples, etc. I believe He also reached from that where/when into the where/when of Belshazzar as recorded in Daniel Chptr 5.

There is an 'ET sort of air about all that fascinating where/when stuff, but the bottom line is, He has given us written comforting to which we ought refer our minds so we doubt not. That same comforting source will no doubt be the means through which the anti-Christ deceives the masses and 'if it be possible, even the elect'.

It can't hurt for Bible founded Christians to be on the alert with regard to these ET goings on, for we know The Truth has already set us free and instructed us to 'discern a lie' ...