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Collapse of Civilization: Lessons Voters Might Take From Roman Britain
Flopping Aces ^ | 11-02-22 | Vince

Posted on 11/02/2022 2:55:42 PM PDT by Starman417

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. – George Santayana

At the end of the 2nd century AD Britain was a fully developed province of the Roman Empire.  It was as Roman as any city in the Empire. While still largely rural, Roman Britain developed towns and cities that mirrored those found in Italy or North Africa and connected them with a spectacular roadway. They had majestic villas, sprawling estates, baths, plumbing and of course aqueducts.  The Romans brought industrial sophistication to mining, unprecedented architectural capabilities and improved agriculture.  The province was awash in imported goods from around the Empire: Wine from Gaul, olive oil from Hispania, pottery from North Africa, and philosophy teachers from Greece; all the while exporting precious metals, agricultural products, shellfish and salt across the Empire.

One of the extraordinary things about the Roman Empire was the unprecedented, widespread prosperity it created from the Pillars of Hercules to the Levant and virtually everywhere in between. While there had always been a market for fine goods such as silk and porcelain and exotic foods, the Romans brought those goods to the masses. By building roads, ports, transportation hubs and funding the trade necessary to support the Legions, the Romans drove economies of scale and created a mass market for goods that had formerly been available only to the rich but had become inexpensive across the Roman world.  In doing so they created a cosmopolitan empire so thoroughly Roman that people from what are today Morocco and Britain and Germany and Israel likely spoke some version of the same language and would have found familiar products available regardless of where they were in the Empire.

Back in Britain, three hundred years after Caesar first invaded the untamed island in 55 BC the province was a sophisticated, shining example of all of the Empire had to offer. It was not to last however… In less than a century after the Romans abandoned the island for good in 410 the population collapsed, the economy collapsed, cities became ghost towns or disappeared and chaos reigned. Londinium, whose population peaked at 60,000 in the 2nd century, dropped below 20,000 and saw more than 75% of its buildings dismantled with the materials carted off into the countryside.

In less than a century Roman Britain went from a rich, flourishing cosmopolitan province with bustling urban centers and goods from across the known world to an economic and cultural backwater where modern architectural, plumbing and farming techniques seemed to have disappeared along with most of the import of goods.

Most of the people living on the island in the middle of the 4th century probably assumed, like much of America in 2022, that the advances of civilization move only in one direction, upward.  They expected to continue to enjoy inexpensive food and pottery and clothing from elsewhere in while selling their wares in return.  The government would continue to provide protection and would maintain the ports and roads that facilitated trade.

When those things didn’t happen life in Britain became a far darker experience.  Cities disappeared, warlords set up fiefdoms and invaders came from seemingly everywhere. Farming techniques were lost, building techniques were lost, trade collapsed and citizens were forced to become self sufficient as numerous petty would be “kings” set up trade and travel barriers and goods from the Continent became scarce.  The opposite of economies of scale and free trade took hold and Britain became far less prosperous as goods became more expensive, countless products and varieties of products simply disappeared and staples had to be produced locally.

It’s here where Santayana’s missive becomes relevant. Given that the history of post Roman Britain so clearly demonstrates the fragility of civilization’s advances, we might want to pay attention.  The reality is, our world, far more tenuously than the Britain of 1700 years ago, is but X bad decisions away from an agrarian, subsistence economy with no electricity, no gas, little trade, few economies of scale and most certainly no security or safety.

Go through a day and see how many things we rely on that we couldn’t replace if a disaster occurred.  Imagine a blackout.  How many things would that loss of electricity impact?  Not only the lighting in our homes, but the refrigerators, phone chargers, garage door openers as well.  Outside our homes there’s even more: Elevators.  Gas pumps. Plumbing.  Street lamps & stop lights. Virtually everything in a hospital. Cell phone towers. Police switchboards and dispatches. Train signals and countless other things.

Then there’s the social aspects of such a crisis.  Rules and laws would go out the window, and it wouldn’t take long. During the New York City blackout of 1977 crime surged, with looting, vandalism and arson rampant (over 1,000 fires were set) while police arrested 3,776 people in the largest mass arrest in the city’s history.  The chaos cost over $1 billion in today’s dollars, and the lights were off for less than 24 hours!  Now jump forward to the BLM / Antifa riots of 2020 and the defunding of police.  Not only was there chaos and mayhem, there were murders, assaults, and rapes nationwide and communities literally burned to the ground. Then there is the mass looting and random violence that has occurred since 2020 and seems to be growing worse every day… and through all of this we still had electricity!

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1 posted on 11/02/2022 2:55:42 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417
I've watched all the Time Team episodes about the collapse of the Roman Empire in Britain. It all seems eerily familiar.
2 posted on 11/02/2022 3:01:13 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Starman417

We are different. We have a constitution founded on the laws of nature and nature’s God. Going back to our roots will put us back on track. For the Romans, to have gone back would have sent them over the edge of the flat earth.


3 posted on 11/02/2022 3:14:52 PM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)
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To: Starman417

After the Romans left, the people of Britain should have kept the electricity going somehow. Then they’d have been all right.


4 posted on 11/02/2022 3:17:09 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Starman417
three hundred years after Caesar first invaded the untamed island in 55 BC

This statement is somewhat inaccurate. Julius Caesar conducted reconnaissance and fact-finding missions in Britannia. He never committed his troops to actual fighting there. The real invasion of Britannia began in 43 AD when Claudius was emperor. The British tribes put up a good fight, too. It took about 40 years for the Romans to finally get the island under control.

5 posted on 11/02/2022 3:58:47 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Starman417
Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. – George Santayana

Those who have not read Santayana's book The Life of Reason are condemned to paraphrase it a trivial way. The fuller statement by him deals with retentiveness being necessary to make mere change into progress.

Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

And it goes on from there.

The Life of Reason

6 posted on 11/02/2022 4:12:35 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Soon the January 6 protesters will be held (without trial or bail) longer than Jefferson Davis was.)
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To: Starman417

Not a problem for me - if society breaks down I’ll get out my AR and do me some deer huntin’. Lots of deer where I live. So no problem!


7 posted on 11/02/2022 4:13:53 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Starman417

My lesson from Roman Britain: build a better wall to keep the Scots out.


8 posted on 11/02/2022 4:15:38 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Starman417

Brandon was installed to complete the destruction of the Republic.
The framework was erected during King Odumbo’s reign.
The election of Shrillary was supposed to be the final nail in the coffin, but, the American people screwed that up by voting for PDJT in such great numbers, that we overcame the voter fraud.


9 posted on 11/02/2022 4:54:12 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Clemenza
My lesson from Roman Britain: build a better wall to keep the Scots out.

Unlike our invaders from the south, it wasn't the Scots that doomed Roman Britain.

10 posted on 11/02/2022 5:30:42 PM PDT by GaryCrow
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“This statement is somewhat inaccurate. Julius Caesar conducted reconnaissance and fact-finding missions in Britannia. He never committed his troops to actual fighting there. The real invasion of Britannia began in 43 AD when Claudius was emperor. The British tribes put up a good fight, too. It took about 40 years for the Romans to finally get the island under control.”

One of the things I like about you, is your knowledge of Roman history.

Its very impressive.


11 posted on 11/02/2022 5:40:39 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: amihow
"We are different. We have a constitution founded on the laws of nature and nature’s God. Going back to our roots will put us back on track. For the Romans, to have gone back would have sent them over the edge of the flat earth."

And how do you figure that is going to happen?

12 posted on 11/02/2022 7:25:46 PM PDT by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: amihow
"We are different. We have a constitution founded on the laws of nature and nature’s God. Going back to our roots will put us back on track. For the Romans, to have gone back would have sent them over the edge of the flat earth."

And how do you figure that is going to happen?

13 posted on 11/02/2022 7:25:46 PM PDT by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: Starman417

The article compares the province of Britain with “any Roman city”. That’s an incorrect comparison.

Roman Britain was Romanized but nit like Gaul as the Celtic Briton language still remained unlike in France or Spain.


14 posted on 11/03/2022 2:04:27 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Clemenza

Well the Scotti were originally an Irish tribe that invaded Pictland in the 5th century


15 posted on 11/03/2022 2:06:30 PM PDT by Cronos
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This topic was posted 11/2/2022, blah blah blah.

16 posted on 12/05/2022 7:36:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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