Posted on 01/28/2022 2:44:04 PM PST by Ozguy1945
Rafael Nadal is a truly great tennis player but the once great sporting nation of Australia has abandoned it's own proud history of sportsmanship to persecute Nadal's rival Djokovic for insisting on his rights to medical privacy and personal control of what substances are injected into his own body.
I rate the chances pretty low of Cheif Commissioner Shane Patton doing anything to bring Novak's vicious criminal persecutors to justice. But I have started the formal process by demanding an investigation and one young police officer took the first step toward doing that.
Patton should support her.
And when and if he does fail to lift a finger to work for justice by upholding the law in this matter, he should be condemned for incompetence and investigated by IBAC, the Independent Broadbased Anticorruption Commission.
If the good laws are upheld, the Police State of Victoria will stop being a police state.
Still working for the CCP, eh WM?
I hate to be the one to tell you this but Australia will not be able to fight off the Chinese while they are playing with Covid totalitarianism. Every Australian they lock up as a victory for China so you can kiss my ass.
“What the hell is a tyranny lover posting here for?”
Not sure if I fall under that classification with my history. All the definitions of tyranny I could find were about oppression. And that is always discretional by who is defining it. If the government of Australia is more concerned with their population than the privileges of a foreign tennis player that shouldn’t have been there and tried to side step the rules of the country’s government to get in, then that’s at their discretion. And the people that are complaining about it don’t mean anything in the endgame as the tournament didn’t mean anything either.
Professional sports are nothing but entertainment now. A couple of hundred years ago games were used to decide disputes. Some of the practices created were like the invention of golf in Scotland. But today, they are nothing more than an opportunity for people to gain money or worth. And sitting at the tube watching a tennis match and observing the sponsors at breaks, is not going to find a cure for the common cold.
You and I have a different point of view. I give you that point and don’t try to insult you like you did to not accomplish anything positive. Try being kinder to yourself by recognizing other peoples’ opinions as theirs and that they have the privilege to have it. I spent half my life defending your opportunity to have yours. At the moment you teach me nothing.
wy69
“I see that the paid representative of Austranazia is commenting out the boilerplate propaganda.”
Why, because I see something others might not? And since when does your opinion hold more weight than mine that you can try to belittle me? Insult is the breaking down of progress.
There are some facts that can’t be erased on this situation. If you don’t believe me, look them up.
April 2020 – Djokovic publicly opposes vaccines
June 2020 – Djokovic tests positive at own tournament
January 2022 – Djokovic receives ‘medical exemption’
This exemption was from the Tennis Association,
not the Australian government, the day before
he flew to Australia
January 2022 – Djokovic held at border as visa cancelled
January 2022 – Djokovic breaks silence as second player
detained. Doubles player Renata Voracova was
detained and deported as his partner left the
country before he was detained. All had slipped
in on a tennis association visa.
January 2022 - Djokovic admits breaking isolation after positive test
January 2022 - Djokovic sees visa cancelled for second time
January 2022 - Djokovic’s second appeal is rejected
January 2022 - Djokovic is deported
He had a lot of excuses for his paperwork that he blamed on a person in his employ who filled it out wrong. The Australian government started allowing visitors to enter the country, if vaccinated, in October of last year. So players had two months to be vaccinated to enter the country.
He was well aware he was coming into the country unvaccinated, with his last test being positive, against the rules established well before the tournament. He made the decision not to vaccinate. That’s his privilege.
But blaming Australia for making a call on what their country wishes to do, and advertises it well in advance, and someone wishes to sidestep the rules and gets caught at it, is not their fault...it’s the people that tried to get around the rules. If he wanted to play, why did he not apply for his visa with the Australian government and tried to go through the tennis organization that got caught breaking the rule also? The government makes no money if people are turned away. Neither does the tennis association.
Tennis Australia is a state and territory owned association, acting as the governing body of tennis within Australia. They can not overrule their federal government on visa approval. The judge was a state judge that cleared him in the state of Victoria, not the feds. When the feds got into it, he was deported. (Just like here in our court system)
Australian Immigration Minister Alex Hawke was responsible for Djokovic’s newest visa cancellation, and he said his decision serves the “public interest.” Djokovic, who’s unvaccinated against COVID-19, failed to acquire a proper medical exemption ahead of his flight to Australia and listed inaccurate information in his travel declaration form.
Djokovic revealed during the detaining he conducted an interview with the French newspaper L’Equipe last month after testing positive for COVID-19. The tennis star also acknowledged his travel declaration form contained falsehoods about his whereabouts the 14 days preceding his flight to Australia.
See the pattern? You can decide against the vaccines, but can’t tell the Australian government what decisions they will make. Especially when the privilege of playing in the tournament was left to Djokovic to follow rules he didn’t. I support him for standing by his decision not to shoot, but I can’t when he breaks rules trying to get by for his personal gains.
wy69
“I disagree with you but concede there is a debate to be had.”
Fact finding is one of the two most used tools of invention. The other is accident.
When you get the chance please review the post I made before this one that puts a timeline on the events that may help you get a better understanding as to my stance. It’s a little long as there are quite a few points to cover. But I think I got about everything to cover my reasoning I could find. The retorts to my comments, sans yours, were moving into attacking the messenger and not the issue so I gave them what I found that they can ponder...facts.
wy69
Whatever. Enjoy your 4th, 5th, and Nth clot-shot you tyranny loving propagandist.
No sense trying to give this guy any facts. He acts like he is a paid troll of the CCP.
You are missing key facts in your argument, or you may even be deliberately lying in your posts.
a) Novak had a valid visa and exemption to enter Australia, even the Australian Immigration minister acknowledged that.
b)The govt deported him using the extraordinary ministerial power which can be used to deport any foreigner and no need to justify the reason. The court can only review whether the minister used this clause properly and does and cannot review whether he had the right arguments. This clause is rarely used by a minister, the fact it was used against Djokovic shows how desperate they have become.
“Novak had a valid visa and exemption to enter Australia, even the Australian Immigration minister acknowledged that.”
“...Djokovic was denied entry at the Melbourne airport late Wednesday after border officials canceled his visa for failing to meet its entry requirement that all non-citizens be fully vaccinated for COVID-19.
Djokovic was given a medical exemption backed by the Victoria state government and Australian Open organizers on Jan. 1, based on information he supplied to two independent medical panels, and he was approved for a visa electronically.
But it has since emerged that the Victoria state medical exemption, allowed for people who tested positive for the coronavirus within the last six months, was deemed invalid by the federal border authorities.”
The state said okay and the feds said no. Not unusual as two others that did the same thing were turned away and left without being argumentative. It’s just like in this country with our state and federal work. Unless the need is determined state, it ultimately belongs to the feds. The feds had a rule in place, he broke it knowingly, he got deported.
“The govt deported him using the extraordinary ministerial power which can be used to deport any foreigner and no need to justify the reason.”
They justified it...he didn’t get the shots, and lied on his request which is probably why the state gave him entry on computer.
You can find that info anywhere. I don’t have to lie...it’’s plainly stated.
wy69
I’m not sure if many are aware of Djokovic’s hot mess COVID history.. So I will refresh, In May of 2020, he organized an exhibition tournament named the Adria Tour, (Balkans). inviting many top players. It was mostly a week long big time party for the top players to get together, because ATP and WTA tournaments had been cancelled due to COVID and he was going to go his own way. They partied, played tennis, basketball and it was not a sanctioned event. Many players got COVID, including Joker, his wife and another pregnant wife, not to mention the many fans who attended. The players and fans were furious.
Then it comes out that joker had COVID again this past December and was roaming around with it, knowing he would be playing in Australia. How can he possibly think that he deserved an exemption, when citizens of Australia have been subjects to the most rigid, draconian COVID rules in the world.?
This is typical, arrogant Novak Djokovic.
Actually, he requested and was granted an exemption because he had covid and recovered. They changed their mind and he appealed and again was granted an exemption, but again they overruled it. They said that while they agreed that he was not likely to get or transmit covid, they couldn’t have the peasants thinking for themselves. (obviously not a quote, but that’s the meaning)
“(obviously not a quote, but that’s the meaning)”
Don’t try to make too much of this. I think with some pressure applied by the Tennis Association, possibly bribery with how much money the state could earn if he was allowed to compete to try to ignore the existing policy of required shots prior to entering by their federal government, the Victorian state government pulled some strings to get him a visa and a medical exemption, which is way out of line from the fed rules, from the Victorian state where he landed. The original visa did not come from the federal government which had months previously establish the expected rules for entering as totally vaxxed.
So when he, the tennis association and the state, were caught by the feds ignoring their rules, he was shut down by the border patrol. And when the federal government, that was being pressured, gave him an appeal, they chose to release him until the court re-convened. (They didn’t have to) And when the court did he was denied entry based upon the rules established by the federal government last October. One other player was deported for the same reason and another left without arguing. None of them were supposed to be there by federal law. It’s just that simple. The country belongs to Australia. They make the rules.
And his complaining about being denied entry has a further effect of his future play in the country.
“Deportation could result in sanctions ranging up to a three-year ban from entering Australia, a daunting prospect for a player who has won almost half of his 20 Grand Slam singles titles here.”
HJe had two choices, do what was expected of him bny the government, or not go to the tournament. He chose neither.
“...granted an exemption because he had covid and recovered.”
And that’s a major problem. Was he? He and his wife had it in June 2020 and December last year. He was not tested, so how can anyone know if he had it again or got over the second time around? He has a history of not isolating with the illness nor admitting it. On the form, Djokovic said he had not traveled in the 14 days before his flight to Australia, despite being seen in Spain and Serbia in that period. You’re defending a liar.
wy69
Again you are either completely ignorant of the facts of the matter or deliberately lying in your posts.
a) The excemption given to Djokovic by the State govt is a valid exemption accepted by the Federal govt to enter Australia and it was accepted for atleast 5 other tournament participants before they stopped Djokovic. The Federal govt infact in court documents had admitted that Djokovic had a valid visa and exemption to enter the country and it does not contest that. The first visa cancellation and overturning by a judge, the govt did not contest that,
b) The reason provided by the Federal govt in cancelling Djokovic visa once again is because the presence of Djokovic in the country can encourage anti vax views in the community. Nothing to do with his visa form or request form. This is again in court documents. This reason is not subject to due process and the court cannot overturn a ministerial decision used in this manner against a foreigner.
“Again you are either completely ignorant of the facts of the matter or deliberately lying in your posts.”
I have shown you every point I made and where I got it. You have given me nothing but your opinion and guess what, he got deported. You can argue the validity of what they did until you go dirt nap, but, it’s their country, their rules.
He lied on the forms, didn’t vax as required, or provide a test to prove he wasn’t still or again ill, and unlike the other players identified, he didn’t leave and tried to fight rules that were established months in advance that he tried to get by.
So until you can produce something besides your opinion, don’t waste the electricity or my time. And make sure you provide a site I can look at. Or I will ignore your posts. You border on the edge of troll.
wy69
Your points are either not factual, outdated or downright lies.
Here are the court documents related to Djokovic and his deportation.
https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-files/djokovic
Go read if you can on what are the actual facts and stop lying in this forum, troll.
Another article on this matter https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/novak-djokovic-visa-decision-reasons-released-federal-court/100760588#:~:text=The%20world%20number%20one%20men‘s,the%20Australian%20Open%20on%20Monday.
You have chosen to ignore the actual facts and be dead, the reasons for his deportation is very clear. It has nothing to do with his forms or documents.
Please check these parts of the references of the documents you sent me. They are referenced in the court transcript:
MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 116
Subject to subsections (2) and (3), the Minister may cancel a visa if he or she is satisfied that:
(b) its holder has not complied with a condition of the visa
(e) the presence of its holder in Australia is or may be, or would or might be, a risk to:
(i) the health, safety or good order of the Australian community or a segment of the Australian community; or
(ii) the health or safety of an individual or individuals; or
(f) the visa should not have been granted because the application for it or its grant was in contravention of this Act or of another law of the Commonwealth;
(1AB) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), the Minister may cancel a visa (the current visa ) if he or she is satisfied that:
(a) incorrect information was given, by or on behalf of the person who holds the current visa, to:
(i) an officer; or
(ii) an authorised system; or
(iii) the Minister; or
(iv) any other person, or a tribunal, performing a function or purpose under this Act; or
(v) any other person or body performing a function or purpose in an administrative process that occurred or occurs in relation to this Act; and
(b) the incorrect information was taken into account in, or in connection with, making:
ttp://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s116.html
The full bench of the Federal Court unanimously agreed to dismiss Djokovic’s application on Sunday before he was due to play in the Australian Open on Monday.
The laws say it, the courts say it, and many here say it. I don’t make their laws, but I respect their privileges of enforcing them inside their country.
And calling me a liar is not going to change their laws. Sometimes people disappoint me. They talk justice, but they protect the criminal.
I’m done with this. I’ve displayed facts, even from others entries, and displayed where I got them. I want to move on to other topics maybe more important. He got legally deported, and may not be able to enter Australia for a number of years because he had a stance. I respect his right to have one, but I do not respect him when he tries to go around the law for profit.
wy69
The court documents mention clearly that Djokovic visa was cancelled under 133C(3 of the Migration act and not section 116 as you claim.
Section 133C of the Migration act mentions that the Minister can cancel the visa if the Minister is satisfied that it would be in the public interest to cancel the visa.
The facts are crystal clear on why Djokovic visa was cancelled and it is not because of invalid documents or forms as you claim it is. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts.
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