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The case for compulsory vaccinations is dead ... Omicron just killed it.
Off Guardian ^ | 12/03/2021 | Kit Knightly

Posted on 12/03/2021 9:52:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Yesterday, Ursula von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission, held a press conference where she talked at length about her “concerns” over the EU’s low vaccination rate, and how best to “fix” it.

When asked about making vaccines mandatory, she said:

It is understandable and appropriate to lead this discussion now – how we can encourage and potentially think about mandatory vaccination within the European Union. This needs discussion, this needs a common approach, but I think it’s a discussion that has to be led.”

Adding:

Two or three years ago, I would have never thought to witness what we see right now, that we have this horrible pandemic, we have the life-saving vaccines but they are not being used adequately everywhere. And thus this is an enormous health cost,”

Of course, the idea that the EU nations are going to “debate” mandatory vaccinations is a joke, they are more likely to enforce them no matter what.

But any real, rational debate was over as soon as the EU and the vaccine manufacturers both admitted that the vaccines do not work.

By any pre-2021 definition, the Covid “vaccines” are not actually vaccines. From the beginning, it has been widely admitted that they don’t stop you getting the disease, and they don’t stop you spreading it.

Every day we hear about some famous person or other testing positive “despite being vaccinated”.

The EU has already hinted that their vaccination passes (which, ironically enough, they appear to have been planning for “two or three years” despite von der Leyen claiming they never saw the pandemic coming), will expire in nine months.

Why will they expire?

Because the “protection” allegedly conferred by the vaccine wears off.

How fast does it wear off?

They have no idea.

The alleged emergence of the Omicron variant makes the situation even worse, from the establishment point of view. Indeed, it could be argued the first real casualty of the Omicron outbreak was narrative cohesion.

Experts are already warning that the Omicron variant may be resistant to the vaccines, and the CEO of Moderna added his voice to this chorus yesterday, saying:

I think it’s going to be a material drop [in vaccine effectiveness]. I just don’t know how much because we need to wait for the data. But all the scientists I’ve talked to…are like ‘this is not going to be good’.”

Even if these warnings prove incorrect, and the mainstream suddenly backtracks and starts reporting that the vaccines work “better than expected” to combat Omicron, that’s irrelevant.

They have just admitted that the “vaccines” could stop working the moment there is a new mutation. And viruses mutate a lot.

So, they know the vaccine’s don’t work very well, they know they will wear off, and they know any new mutations could stop them working completely.

The only thing they don’t know is what the long term side effects of the vaccines are, a fact admitted by Pfizer themselves in their supply contracts:

the long-term effects and efficacy of the Vaccine are not currently known and that there may be adverse effects of the Vaccine that are not currently known

Now, here’s the all-purpose disclaimer: This is not admitting that Covid19 is dangerous, the pandemic real or in any other way endorsing the narrative. Rather, and this is important, it’s pointing out that even on their own terms the establishment’s plan for compulsory vaccination does not make any sense at all.

The current narrative is that:

These are not fringe ideas or baseless theories, they are the self-contradictory supposed “facts” of the schizophrenic covid story.

Going entirely by the mainstream’s own words, and completely on their own terms, any possible case for mandatory vaccinations is dead.

The “Omicron variant” killed it, even if it never killed anything else.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: mandate; mutations; omicron; vaccination; vaccine; vaccinemandate
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1 posted on 12/03/2021 9:52:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Indications are that Omicron has actually been around for many weeks, in many parts of the world, and finally the number of "cases" (positive tests) has reached the level where we can start looking at statistics.

So,.... Has anybody in the world died from a verified Omicron infection?

I haven't read of a single one. I pray that continues.

How many serious hospitalizations have resulted from a verified Omicron infection?

I haven't read of a single one -- yet. I do expect there will be some.

All indications --so far -- are that Omicron is a "bad cold", or maybe a "mild flu", but certainly not the kind of horror that the initial Covid presented. And we must remember that even that horror was overall 99% survivable.

I'm 70 and have multiple co-morbidities. Omicron doesn't scare me.

2 posted on 12/03/2021 10:03:06 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: SeekAndFind

So you are saying vaccines are useless because viruses mutate? Then how do other vaccines for smallpox, polio, etc. work?


3 posted on 12/03/2021 10:07:37 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew
Actually, they've reported recently that the Polio virus has mutated in parts of Asia and Africa. They are calling it the "type 2 poliovirus", and they are (or have) developing a vaccine for it.

I guess the difference between the poliovirus and SARS/flus/colds is the rate of mutation. It's take a long time for a mutated variant of the poliovirus to be detected. With SARS (COVID), we're quickly running out of Greek letters for the variants, although skipping letters like "Xi" is speeding up the process.

4 posted on 12/03/2021 10:15:21 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021.)
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To: Renfrew
With regards to smallpox:

"Fortunately for humanity, smallpox is a pox virus which is a family of viruses which uses DNA as its genome. Because of this, the smallpox genome has remained relatively stable over the past 1000 years." (in the middle of Question #1)

https://www.dmu.edu/blog/2021/02/covid-19-the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/

5 posted on 12/03/2021 10:20:08 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How do the self-proclaimed experts know the omicrom variant is present anywhere when the covid 19 tests can’t even distinguish between covid 19 and the flu? And how many cycles are they running to get a positive result?


6 posted on 12/03/2021 10:24:19 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Renfrew

good question


7 posted on 12/03/2021 10:28:48 PM PST by joshua c (Dump the LEFT. Cable tv, Big tech, national name brands)
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To: SeekAndFind

it has been 24/7 FakeNewsMSM coverage of children under 5 being hospitalized with Omicron in South Africa today...in an apparent push to get the young in Africa to get vaxxed. yet I noticed almost all “media” is leaving out ***this vital piece of information:

6min20sec to 7min: BBC’s James Menendez: small children getting ill.
DR. LESSELS: have to check if there’s intersection with other respiratory viruses because we have had ***influenza circulating. we’re trying to unpick that data to really understand it well.

AUDIO: 52m59s: 3 Dec: BBC Newshour: Covid: South Africa battles Omicron variant
Presenter: James Menendez
(includes interview with Dr. Richard Lessels, infectious disease physician at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, part of the team that identified Omicron.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172xv5gstrczjl

1 Dec: oreanda.ru: South African Doctor Reports Flu Symptoms in those Infected with Omicron Strain
Symptoms of the Omicron coronavirus strain have so far been mild and similar to those of influenza. Unben Pillay, a doctor in South Africa, told Bloomberg.
“We have seen patients with flu symptoms - dry cough, fever, night sweats and general body aches,”- he said...
https://www.oreanda.ru/en/nauka_i_tehnika/south-african-doctor-reports-flu-symptoms-in-those-infected-with-omicron-strain/article1400193/

flu is back.


8 posted on 12/03/2021 10:35:23 PM PST by MAGAthon (y)
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To: SeekAndFind

There NEVER is a valid reason for compulsory vaccination; especially in this case of genetic experimentation.


9 posted on 12/03/2021 10:51:58 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. The Dhimmicraps are ALL Traitors. All of them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The true purpose of the “pandemic response” has been to condition the population to ever-increasing levels of totalitarian control.


10 posted on 12/03/2021 10:56:15 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is understandable and appropriate to lead conduct this discussion now – how we can encourage and potentially think about mandatory vaccination within the European Union. This needs discussion, this needs a common approach, but I think it’s a discussion that has to be led conducted.”

Either a bad translation or - if she said this in English, simply bad English.

Regards,

11 posted on 12/03/2021 11:05:37 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: PubliusMM

Never forget, this isn’t a vaccine

they had to xhange the definition to make this “fit”

its experimental gene therapy


12 posted on 12/03/2021 11:39:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Renfrew

Polio vaxx gave kids polio


13 posted on 12/03/2021 11:42:37 PM PST by roving
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m holding out against being vaccinated here in Ireland. Not too much pressure yet as I’m working from home anyway. I have been predicting for the last year that it will be made mandatory and establishment politicians from the two main parties have started suggesting it.

The European Union put out a timetable for rolling out vaccine passports in the third quarter of 2019, just before Covid 19 was released by the Chinese. Coincidence? I doubt it.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/default/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf

You can still see at the top of the document, last update Q3 2019.


14 posted on 12/04/2021 12:49:02 AM PST by winslow
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To: alexander_busek
Either a bad translation or - if she said this in English, simply bad English.

Or she meant what she said. Things will be led to a specific goal.
Hegelian dialect.

Who gets to lead?

15 posted on 12/04/2021 1:19:21 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: CatOwner

“It’s take a long time for a mutated variant of the poliovirus to be detected.”

This is what Dr Peter McCullough says too.

Also, obviously, we don’t fall for the “flu vaccine” similarity argument either, since they actually do update them for mutations. But we can reasonably assume they’re safe because they’re not gene therapy.


16 posted on 12/04/2021 2:04:45 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2 (Widespread belief in asymptomatic spread of a low-risk virus hastened the end of the West by 100 yrs)
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To: Renfrew

To the best of my knowledge, small pox and polio do not have animal hosts.


17 posted on 12/04/2021 3:29:20 AM PST by Neverlift (When someone says "you just can't make this stuff up" odds are good, somebody did.)
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To: Renfrew

The covid vaccines approved in the US only target the spike protein. It’s giving your home security system a picture of a robber and saying, “just keep him from doing any damage with a hammer if he comes in.” So from the beginning the vaccinated were turned into Typhoid Marys. If the robber changes his appearance in small ways or gets a different weapon, he can start doing damage again. In fact, the US vaccines create pressure on the robber to focus on changing his appearance and adapting weapons. Other vaccines and natural immunity look at all the aspects of the break in, means of access, etc. So they may not be as good at stopping a very specific robber with a specific weapon from from doing damage, but they are better at stopping transmission and addressing variants. The big question is if the specificity of the the US vaccines will also weaken broad natural immunity after 6 months and in the long term.


18 posted on 12/04/2021 4:11:37 AM PST by mongrel
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19 posted on 12/04/2021 5:10:37 AM PST by EEGator
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To: joshua c

No, it is not.


20 posted on 12/04/2021 5:11:55 AM PST by EEGator
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