Posted on 11/06/2020 12:59:50 PM PST by Peter ODonnell
They say this presidential election hangs by a thread and could go either way, although unless there is some kind of revelation of self-evident voter fraud, it will likely go to Joe Biden and the Democrats.
This will return America to the situation under Obama, and similar to the situation in Canada since Justin Trudeau's first election win in 2015.
Basically, both countries have a similar dynamic. The west-central productive economic heartland is conservative and wants a pro-business government. The two coasts and other urban areas lean towards socialism and want to extend the social and political atmosphere of the cities to the national stage.
People on both sides are dug in and don't want to compromise. And there is no compromise, there's no such thing as half socialism or half freedom. You're either free or you're not free.
Since interests and economic realities are the same across the 49th parallel, there exists the potential to redivide the political map, maintaining two countries, but making one the freedom-seeking, essentially conservative heartlands, and the other whatever its own apologists would call it (in my view, the failed states and provinces of voluntary communism).
Enough is enough. This divide is permanent and will not provide any good future prospects for those trapped in the middle. Even if we get to govern occasionally, that's not enough to sustain economic growth and social integrity. The alternating forms of government will just slowly strangle what is left of the productive economy and turn the entire continent into a failed state ripe for being taken over by powerful global adversaries who are waiting for us to fall like Rome fell to the vandals.
Even if Trump somehow pulls out a win, the situation remains largely ungovernable. There will be another four years of constant obstruction of his agenda.
Why not recognize the reality and call for a congress of freedom-loving states and provinces, with shared economic interests, and tell the socialists they are now on their own, let's see how they manage without our tax dollars flowing into their treasuries.
I don't understand why people in failed Democrat (or Liberal-NDP in Canada) states and provinces then wish to saddle all of us with their failed and worthless political paradigms. They are of no use to us at all, will lead to a shutdown of our economic vitality, and turn our states and provinces into basket cases like their own.
A pox on all their houses. Let freedom ring.
The parts of Canada most likely to want association would be Alberta, Saskatchewan, the interior of BC, and possibly Manitoba -- Yukon and Northwest Territories have some potential but are influenced enough by leftist politics and substantial native demographics that they might freely reject such a concept ... it also strikes me that eastern halves of WA, OR, most of NV and parts of CA could secede and join this federation of free states.
The most logical place for a national capital of the free states would be around Kansas City or Oklahoma City. The reality is that the leftist parts of Canada would probably not join the leftists of America so there would continue to be a Canada and a USA with capital in Washington DC. I would propose the Free States of North America as the name of the new entity and go with completely redesigned emblems and anthems etc.
What we might have held close in the past has evaporated. There is no home for us in Canada or the United States, we need to make our own home and govern it ourselves. Relations between or among these various entities might be rather frosty to start, like a France Germany sort of vibe.
I know there are enormous logistical problems involved. The military of both countries are located on territory of both entities and might choose sides. The solution would be to create separate military organizations and have negotiations about who kept what. The nuclear option should go to the Free States because you don't want to have a nuclear option available to a surrogate government of the Peoples' Republic of China.
Anyone else thinking this way? I'm fed up with the social and political divide and feel like it can only get worse and worse (especially for our side because they control the schools and the media). We are lied to by powerful people on a regular basis and they despise us. So why should we prop up their failed states? Let them pay their own way if they want to engage in the occult arts of the magical green economy. It will fall like a house of cards without any productive regions left to support it.
They want us dead, our kids starving in the streets and humiliated, and they find that funny.
Or more?
Remember when New Englanders talked about seceding, joining with the Maritime Provinces, and forming Acadia?
Around that time, the western provinces of Canada talked about joining the USA.
The South, Midwest, and Plains could probably secede form Bicoastia.
Quebec is on its own.
I hear the bleating of a terrified sheep. Sad.
These are all great ideas and should have been done decades ago.
Or stay one and become China?
I’d be for inviting the western Canadian provinces to apply for statehood if they choose. It gives us more political strength. And as I said, Quebec can have independence if that’s what they want.
It is not surrender. It is smart and way over due. I hope you and yours get killed off early on the war you want.
This is helpful the wargame stuff like this out so we can figure out realities of such things.
No one in power is going to let this peacefully happen. Too much $$$ and power at stake. Don’t believe me, it already with CW1.
How long you do you think it will be before the cancer population of Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Austin, Denver, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami overrun us again in the middle? I’m only listing the larger cities in the middle of the country from the top of my head. It appears almost every city over 50k people are people’s republics in the US.
How about we try for a SE-US. Even here in SC, Columbia and Charleston are freaking blue. Look at the maps at NC. Every city Asheville, Raleigh, Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Greensboro, etc. are blue. Same with GA beyond Atlanta.
How about the Great Texas Republic? How long before Metroplex, El Paso, RGV, Austin, Houston, etc, get enough people to overpower everyone there with their mob.
It would be only time then we are back where we started. Fraud, corruption and how to deal with it, with less and less good people.
Not really. It's a monumentally bad idea.
THAT is exactly correct.. Why in the hell should WE leave? We can make THEM leave..
I'm sure there is a country somewhere who would love to have a bunch of Godless, highly educated, communist fanatics.. They taste just like chicken... :)
I divorce would be the best thing. CA needs to go their own way as a minimum.
Bingo.
I think the main reason for the divide is mentally ill and drug addicts who cannot function in a capitalist system always will go to dense populated areas to beg for help or steal. That is simply where resources are more concentrated and easier to take.
If you were to create a border between the more rural states (red) and states with massive cities (blue), they will simply go to the most populated areas in the red states to beg and commit crimes. Growing the exact same issues in red states that we see mainly in blue areas now.
So what do we do with people roaming the streets who cannot work and survive under a free market system? They are people and cant be simply eliminated like we do with lame animals
Agree. If it starts, we drive them into the seas.
Of course.
Their greatest wet dream is US, Divided.
~Easy
There is no north/south divide like last time. This is urban/non-urban. You can’t just pull cities out of states and move them elsewhere.
China has no need to invade the US when they can easily afford to buy every single politician ten times over. Even COVID-19, fake ballots, and Hunter Biden’s handling fee cost them less than the price of a single jet fighter.
There Is no reconciliation . We either separate or destroy them but the center obviously will not hold.
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