Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.
Ft. Sumter was under siege even before the shelling started. They cut off supplies and threatened to stop any resupply. That is itself an act of war. Lincoln’s position was quite clear, he wouldn’t start hostilities but he would do what he had to do to keep all federal installations in the south. The south chose war, and yes the common sentiment was all for it. And the common sentiment in the north was for war if needed to keep the union together. But the south initiated it, and no historical revisionism can change that.
Thank you for an intelligent, reasoned and insightful response. I appreciate your taking the time and effort to respond. I can’t stand these ‘’Confederates in the attic’’ who believe in the glory of an evil system of human bondage and economic exploitation romanticized as though it were some kind of Manifest Destiny. I believe without the war slavery would have gone on much longer. Certainly if the South had won it would have continued, after allthat’s what they were fighting for. I’ve a personal stake in this. My great-great-grandfather served as a medical clerk with the Surgeon Generals Office in Washington as part of The Army of The Potomac. And I was born and raised in the northeastern New Jersey town of Kearny. Named after it’s most famous local son Union General Phil Kearny.
Ah yes, true to form.
Seriously, you make an unsoursed allegation that no serious history scholar has found And when opposed and told to present your sources for unsubstantiated, outrageous allegations, you tell the one asking you to prove the allegations to “look it up for yourself.”
Ever consider changing your screen name to miss CNN? i just ask because you seem to post a lot of unsourced BS just like CNN.
Have a nice day, and say hello to Wolf Blitzer for me.
Oh, what a dumb response. CNN, really?
If you can’t look up something as well known as Lee’s health condition at Gettysburg maybe you shouldn’t even be on this thread.
>> Well let’s not leave out all the Northern ... [blah, blah, blah, bah]
The Union prohibited transatlantic slave trade in 1807. And had prohibited slavery within Northern states even earlier. I’m talking about libertaing oneself from sadistic, terroristic, absurdly repressive governments, and you’re blathering about vengence of generations gone by.
>> I thought their victory over the British established that the right of states to be independent was valid. <<
Nope. In fact, the notion that they were states was even a later invention.
You seem to confuse vengence with liberation. The transatlantic slave trade was prohibited in 1807. There would be no point in attacking the
>> In 1860, many states believed the government of the United States no longer served their interests, and so they chose to exercise the right to independence which the founders established. <<
It is an undeniable fact that the Southern states were represented in the Senate and House (and military, and Supreme Court and its circuit courts). The DofI complained about lack of representation, lack of recourse, lack of permitted governors, lack of ability to draft needed local laws, and so on and so on.
Are you being deliberately deceptive or merely stupid? A health condition is not a heart attack.
For the THIRD TIME: It is well known that Lee suffered from what is today known as angina pectoris. YOU asserted that Lee had a heart attack during the Gettysburg campaign --something that NO credible scholar of either Lee, the US Civil War, or the Gettysburg battle has ever asserted let alone sourced.
Bottom line woman: You made up some sort of BS that belongs in the realm of conspiracy theory, and when called on it issued insults. Not my problem you can't prove your assertion, but don't expect any serious student of the history of Robert E. Lee, the US Civil War or the Gettysburg Campaign to do anything but laugh at you, just as i am doing now.
And you have proven that you don't belong on a serious history thread. Maybe you should join the other losers in posting cat memes.
i think the CNN comment was actually pretty descriptive. You seem to have quite a bit in common with them.
My! We are having a tempest in a teapot, aren’t we? Let’s change the subject to something you’re more comfortable with: what’s your favorite color?
“The US only accounted for 3% of the total slave trade across the Atlantic, so the northern slave ship companies were responsible for a lot more slavery than that which existed just in this country. I’d say they have a lot more to atone for than those who put that 3% to work. They also carried the other 97% into slavery.”
The following information is from the “Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database”. This database can be found at www.slavevoyages.org
The country listed below is the flag of the ship transporting slaves and the number of documented voyages under that flag.
Country total voyages
Portugal 35,994,
Britain 12,010
France 4,199
USA 2,268
Spain 1,893
Holland 1,704
Denmark 411
Total 58,449
The website estimates that the database represents about 80 % of the total slave trade voyages from 1514 to 1866.
Looking at the country’s ships transporting slaves and the destination of the voyage shows the most of the slave voyages were ships of a specific country bound for the colonies of that country in the Western Hemisphere. As an example, most, but no all, Portugal’s slave voyages ended in Portuguese Brazil. Most, but not all, Britain’s slave voyages went to British colonies in the Caribbean. American slave ships transported mostly to the United States, and after 1808, to Cuba.
It really does not look like that the Northern business interests transported the other 97% into slavery.
Yeah, you get to read stuff on these threads that sounds like it has been lifted straight from Marxism.org.
In fact, here's an opening line from a site called "Marxist Update"...see if it sounds like anything you see here:
It's right to hate Robert E. Lee: shovel the dirt right into his face!
I kind of agree with what your saying except for Custer!
You’re going to have to do a lot of convincing of me on that one! I don’t even place Custer on par with Stuart.
Yup! Apparently, even if you’re a freeper you have to hate RE Lee - although Grant certainly didn’t and Lincoln was most conciliatory before his death.
I was raised to love and admire Eisenhower and MacArthur - particularly by my mom who lost her first husband to a sniper in WWII two weeks before the war ended. I would never dishonor her memory with words such as “inept.”
French museums dedicated to WWII vastly admire Eisenhower. They know what he did to free them from nazism.
Yes South Africa was virtually uninhabited when the Dutch showed up!
Yes the manpower of the North had hardly been tapped!
“The South started a war it had every intention of winning and lost.”
Who sent an invasion army out first?
That would be PT Beauregard against the United States fortifications at Fort Sumter.
Nice post!
I have not seen that before.
You may need to repeat it before the idea takes hold. ;-)
I said invasion force.
The South sent peace emissaries to Washington before that occurred; Lincoln refused to see them.
Also, Beauregard did that on his own.
Read Lincoln’s first inaugural speech. He said he would never diminish his power by allowing the South to secede.
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