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Vanity: Question Regarding a 1948 Packard Super Eight
myself ^ | Sept. 17, 2017 | myself

Posted on 09/17/2017 11:07:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF.

Question for old car experts: Last year, on the passing of my father-in-law, my wife and I inherited his 1948 Packard. The car was in excellent shape but had not been driven for a fee years. We now have the car back in full working order and have noticed something very cool:

At about 60 MPH the car occasionally sets into a rolling motion (clockwise from wheel to wheel, front to rear). The motion is subtle, but very cool.

I asked the mechanic about it and his comment was: 'Congratulations, enjoy it!'

He did not elaborate.

Can any freepers shed some light on this?


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To: Michael.SF.

Sounds like the beginnings of Death Wobble to me.


21 posted on 09/17/2017 11:32:52 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Glad2bnuts

“Harmonics of a perfectly balanced machine. Like the hum in a Hotpoint washing machine in spin cycle. Hint, I was a builder and rebuilder of these machines. When they are right they have a song they sing. I think this is so with all mechanical things.”

I’m a mechanical engineer. These are known as mass-spring-damper systems. You can do some really elegant analysis of these systems with something called Laplace Transforms, shows all the sinusoidal movement. As long as you are in bounds, enjoy it. I have a 57 Bel Air I drive, I enjoy all the squeaks and bumps. Our cars will still be driving 100 years from now.


22 posted on 09/17/2017 11:38:17 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown
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To: Michael.SF.

For starters get those front wheels spin balanced. See what that does for it.


23 posted on 09/17/2017 11:38:19 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: The Grammarian; Michael.SF.
"Sounds like the beginnings of Death Wobble to me."

My first thought as well.
If its initials were "H.D." this would be a KYAGB moment.

But with 4 wheels, it's probably just a fun diversion.

24 posted on 09/17/2017 11:47:46 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Michael.SF.

well, if you’re not rolling at 60mph, you have a flat tire


25 posted on 09/17/2017 11:50:36 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: Michael.SF.

Bookmark


26 posted on 09/17/2017 11:57:48 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Hah...that’s funny. I just visited the Lemay Family Collection museum in Spanoway, WA yesterday. Saw more Packards than you could throw a stick at. GREAT place to visit BTW.


27 posted on 09/17/2017 12:19:58 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Michael.SF.

The car’s suspension system has many parts and many degrees of mechanical freedom; each has its own resonant frequency.

It sounds like you’ve found a vibrational mode that is similar to nutation in a rotating object; in nutation, one axis makes a circular motion around a center line.

I think that resonance of that sort could only occur if insufficient energy is being dissipated by the shock absorbers.


28 posted on 09/17/2017 12:25:26 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Liberals think in propaganda)
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To: Michael.SF.

The rolling motion is most likely not by design, but as a common consequence of the spring rates and damper settings. I’d say that the mechanic was just confirming that the car was in good, roadworthy shape. If the suspension bushings and shocks were all new, the rolling motion would probably be less noticeable. Leaf and coil springs weaken a bit with age, too.


29 posted on 09/17/2017 12:44:23 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Michael.SF.

That’s not desirable, nor by design. Probably need to rebuild the shocks.


30 posted on 09/17/2017 1:00:43 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Michael.SF.

‘Congratulations, enjoy it!’


He is saying it is what it is. He can’t fix it. It is an old car. enjoy the little idiosyncrasies of an old car.

I have a 1960 willys wagon. I enjoy every rattle and gear whine.


31 posted on 09/17/2017 1:15:30 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Charles Martel; Steely Tom
Thanks for your responses. I believe you and others have hit on the most likely answer: A natural resonance frequency. It seems to be set in motion by a combination of speed and road conditions, by that I mean a low undulation of the road. It does not occur in city traffic, or curving roads.

As to the mechanic, yes, he is a bit of a codger. Does not say much, specializes in Packards and Studebakers and other vintage cars.

I agree, if it had been a concern, he would have said something.

32 posted on 09/17/2017 1:22:05 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Women who are 25 pounds overweight tend to live longer than the men who mention it.)
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To: moovova

Thank you. I travel to Seattle regularly on business. I will have to stop in on a future trip.


33 posted on 09/17/2017 1:24:14 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Women who are 25 pounds overweight tend to live longer than the men who mention it.)
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To: glasseye
"Ask the man who owns one."

Ever hear that?

34 posted on 09/17/2017 1:31:57 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Michael.SF.

You mean steering left to right without your input? Tie rods.

A friend of mine’s car did that.

Just replace everything if you can. If you don’t, before long your wheels will be pointed in opposite directions.


35 posted on 09/17/2017 1:41:19 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Michael.SF.

I’d make a wild guess and say, his “enjoy it” referred to the car itself, and that the sensation you’re detecting is nothing serious.


36 posted on 09/17/2017 2:27:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

My folks had a ‘48 or ‘49 Packard when we were stationed in Japan.
My mom took dad to the airport one morning in April and left the car parked in the street overnight.
The next day was May 1st. The local communist anti- Yankee demonstrators snake danced past our house in Yokohama and someone spotted the Packard.
A group of about 20 kids began rocking the car and flipped it over on its top and set it on fire. A final gesture was a hammer and sickle painted on our front door.
Dad got home three days later. He walked right past the big scorch mark on the pavement and his first words were,”what the hell happened to the Packard ?”


37 posted on 09/17/2017 2:48:53 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

LOL!


38 posted on 09/17/2017 2:50:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Glad2bnuts

Haha, not 30 minutes ago we were in hubby’s work truck and he said it was just like a washing machine in the spin cycle and out of balance.


39 posted on 09/17/2017 3:10:39 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Michael.SF.

I have an ash tray from Packard electric.
No clue about the car though.


40 posted on 09/17/2017 3:19:29 PM PDT by mylife (the roar of the masses could be farts)
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